▲ 381 ▼ [image] Space used for cars in downtown Houston (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world 27 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] KGB@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] demonhockey@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Garages are expensive to build and if you design your roads so that no person with the means would choose anything but driving and ignore the rest, then sprawl becomes the reasonable choice, since people are driving to every destination anyway. What's the point of the added expense of a garage if you don't really care about being close to other things nearby? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes but that's socialist. And goes against my donors paycheck. /s but many people in charge are willfully ignorant that society can be built in a way that doesn't rely on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago *communist permalink fedilink source parent [–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In addition to what others have said, parking lots are also an easy and cheap way to keep vacant land for speculative purposes. Basically, our current property tax system allows you to buy a vacant lot, sit on it for a number of years while paying pennies in taxes (because a vacant lot or a parking lot is very low value, even if the land is very high value), and then resell for a much higher price after the city has grown around it. Basically no work, but tons of free profit. The remedy? Tax land instead. That way, your tax burden is based on the value of your land, not the value of your improvements, so that this form of land speculation becomes uneconomical, while also strongly incentivizing you to develop something more valuable, e.g., housing, offices, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago There is a guy near where I live that I think does this. One of the lots has a tiny restaurant on it that I'm like 95% sure is a front, with a huge parking lot. They've bought a few lots nearby and do by the month parking permits. The whole area is being turned into apartments so it feels like he's just sitting on them for the right offer. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not much underground because Houston is basically a swamp. Nothing up high because why do that when there’s a whole bunch of flat ground? Never mind the lack of public transport, bike infrastructure, or the general fact that literally everything is built way to far apart to make walking an option… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Houston is built on a swamp so you can't really dig a lot without dealing with humidity, water, etc. Multilevel means investment and debt. It can take many years to break even. You can make $25/hr per space and quickly make profit and sell in 10 years for 10 times what you paid for. There are multi level parking though. Basically, it's greed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago One reason is it is millions of dollars more expensive to build underground parking. I think I’ve seen examples where the underground parking for a commercial building costs as much as or more than the building above. permalink fedilink source parent [–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There is underground parking in downtown Houston as well, but during heavy rain they flood like crazy. I want to say the underground garage near the theatre district was closed for a few months after Harvey. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] demonhockey@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) Garages are expensive to build and if you design your roads so that no person with the means would choose anything but driving and ignore the rest, then sprawl becomes the reasonable choice, since people are driving to every destination anyway. What's the point of the added expense of a garage if you don't really care about being close to other things nearby? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes but that's socialist. And goes against my donors paycheck. /s but many people in charge are willfully ignorant that society can be built in a way that doesn't rely on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago *communist permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KGB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes but that's socialist. And goes against my donors paycheck. /s but many people in charge are willfully ignorant that society can be built in a way that doesn't rely on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago *communist permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Magiccupcake@startrek.website 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes but that's socialist. And goes against my donors paycheck. /s but many people in charge are willfully ignorant that society can be built in a way that doesn't rely on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lntl@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago *communist permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world [S] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) In addition to what others have said, parking lots are also an easy and cheap way to keep vacant land for speculative purposes. Basically, our current property tax system allows you to buy a vacant lot, sit on it for a number of years while paying pennies in taxes (because a vacant lot or a parking lot is very low value, even if the land is very high value), and then resell for a much higher price after the city has grown around it. Basically no work, but tons of free profit. The remedy? Tax land instead. That way, your tax burden is based on the value of your land, not the value of your improvements, so that this form of land speculation becomes uneconomical, while also strongly incentivizing you to develop something more valuable, e.g., housing, offices, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago There is a guy near where I live that I think does this. One of the lots has a tiny restaurant on it that I'm like 95% sure is a front, with a huge parking lot. They've bought a few lots nearby and do by the month parking permits. The whole area is being turned into apartments so it feels like he's just sitting on them for the right offer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago There is a guy near where I live that I think does this. One of the lots has a tiny restaurant on it that I'm like 95% sure is a front, with a huge parking lot. They've bought a few lots nearby and do by the month parking permits. The whole area is being turned into apartments so it feels like he's just sitting on them for the right offer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SuiXi3D@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Not much underground because Houston is basically a swamp. Nothing up high because why do that when there’s a whole bunch of flat ground? Never mind the lack of public transport, bike infrastructure, or the general fact that literally everything is built way to far apart to make walking an option… permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Houston is built on a swamp so you can't really dig a lot without dealing with humidity, water, etc. Multilevel means investment and debt. It can take many years to break even. You can make $25/hr per space and quickly make profit and sell in 10 years for 10 times what you paid for. There are multi level parking though. Basically, it's greed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KGB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KGB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago One reason is it is millions of dollars more expensive to build underground parking. I think I’ve seen examples where the underground parking for a commercial building costs as much as or more than the building above. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] formergijoe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago There is underground parking in downtown Houston as well, but during heavy rain they flood like crazy. I want to say the underground garage near the theatre district was closed for a few months after Harvey. permalink fedilink source parent