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Johnson & Johnson sues researchers who linked talc to cancer (www.reuters.com)
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[–] 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

You do a very good job cherry picking, but all of these things together couldn't starve a nation.

At the end of the day what killed the Soviet Union was the fact that they.

  1. Created a system or the people producing the food weren't making shit and had no incentive to actually work.

  2. Opted to try to blame rich people instead of their own shitty system for causing the famine.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Killing millions of cattle and burning crops couldn't starve a nation, hmm. OK, supremacist.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The cattle part could could cause shortages, but at the end of the day when you don't have cattle you can still feed people perfectly fine.

    You won't get to eat nearly as much meat, but you can still eat.

    I'm mainly referring to the fact that you're trying to blame the rebellion from the evil rich people for the cause of the famine instead of the very real economic misincentices created by the Soviet Union

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Burning crops, how many times do I need to repeat this part. They were also actively sabotaging collective farms.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    And how many times do I have to repeat this part? The amount of sabotage going on was almost certainly not enough to cause mass famine.

    Mass famine would require mass action. If there was enough rebellion to starve the country, it would have deposed the Soviet Union entirely.

    The maximum number on the people actually having rebellions was what? 150,000? That's nothing.

    No, the famine was caused by misaligned economic incentives which fucked the entire system.

    Also don't forget that a very similar famine resulted from mao trying the same shit. This is not a uniquely Soviet phenomenon.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Millions of... millions of cattle killed.

    Mao's famine was caused by killing birds, because he did not listen to science. We must always listen to science. That thing could've happened if China were a Christian Theocracy. There have been countless famines in history but you only care about communist ones.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Mao’s famine was caused by killing birds, because he did not listen to science.

    You're missing about 10 other bad decisions in there, and you'll never guess what those 10 decisions were related to.

    Millions of… millions of cattle killed.

    Again. If we killed all the animals right now in every country in the world we would have....

    More food.

    Animals eat food. They provide less than they eat, so if you took all the food that would have gone towards cattle and instead put them towards humans, you'd see people eating more, not less.

    I'm not totally going to say that that wasn't a factor, but at the end of the day the famine in the Soviet Union still had a root cause.

    Say it with me and say it again.

    Shitty misaligned economic incentives.

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