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3rd level spells (startrek.website)
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[–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Counter spell has been the most valuable spell in my spell book by far. That spell literally turns the tide of battles.

What is the use for plant growth? I've seen it, but it always seemed underwhelming based on the description, so I've never used it. Especially since it can gimp your melee teammates as well as the enemies.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Plant growth is very situational, but it can shut down melee enemies for several rounds while keeping them completely susceptible to ranged attacks.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Don't they just bust out their crossbows while moving across the plant growth, or jump out of it?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I feel that they can't just jump out of it, as that basically just nullifies the spell entirely, I generally imply the plants are actually grabbing people.

    As for pulling out their crossbows, at level 5, enemies are already begining to move from humanoids with equipment to unique creatures. A wereboar or ettin for example doesn't have any RAW ranged weapons.

    The spell is also absolutely amazing to pair with another Spellcaster with consistent AOE damage such as moonbeam or ideally sickening radiance or cloudkill. That's the real army killer as once the spell is up, you can take cover and let them be microwaved while they can't reasonably counter you.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That sounds absolutely brutal if they can't leap out and you drop a cloudkill on them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You'll run into the same power with every spell that limits creatures movement, and I'd say for a 4th level spell, that movement limitation is about right.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I guess your success with such strategies is going to be heavily dependent on whether the enemies can leap out or not. Any reasonably intelligent creature with enough strength is going to jump right out. Having plant growth restrain them so they can't jump is the real power, plus how wide it is. Something like grease is good if they fail their athletics check, but otherwise they'll just leap out and its value is gone. Now it's a hindrance to everyone on the field, including your party.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    Really depends. In the game I DM for some monsters have killed or almost killed themselves trying to get out of plant growth. A dumb creature like a troll would hurt itself. Even a smarter creature is now stuck and unable to come into melee range

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