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Do EV's actually do anything beneficial for the planet? (lemmy.today)
submitted 2 years ago* by to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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I've seen a lot of posts here on Lemmy, specifically in the "fuck cars" communities as to how Electric Vehicles do pretty much nothing for the Climate, but I continue to see Climate activists everywhere try pushing so, so hard for Electric Vehicles.

Are they actually beneficial to the planet other than limiting exhaust, or is that it? or maybe exhaust is a way bigger problem?

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[โ€“] 42 points 2 years ago (9 children)

EVs are good for the environment overall but you are not going to fix climate changing by buying more things.

Most of the criticism towards EVs comes from the idea that buying the shiny new thing is a net positive when it's actually less harmful than buying a traditional car.

Tldr: if you are going to buy a car, buy an EV, but don't just buy a new car just to switch to EV if you don't need it.

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  • [โ€“] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Another point is that cars, car infrastructure, and car oriented development is one of the single most wasteful ways to use land. Building smarter cities with alternative transit systems, mixed use areas, and actually using all 3 dimensions like many newer cities in China could protect so much habitat from needlessly being destroyed. There's hardly any truly wild land left on the east coast, it's hard to tell what things used to look like now that practically everything is covered in suburbs and strip malls.

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 2 years ago

    Yeah that's what people being annoyed at the push towards EVs seem to always misunderstand, too. It's not about immediately throwing all your current stuff away. It's the same with heat-pumps for heating: Should you immediately throw away your gas furnace you installed 2 years ago? Of course not. Should you get a heat pump if you need to replace your heating anyways? Hell yeah!

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    The criticisms are also that companies use slavery to acquire the materials to make EVs. And they don't work well in the cold (see current cold snap in Canada), the lifetime of the batteries aren't great, and we still need to destroy huge swaths of land to create cars, park/store cars, and drive cars.

    EVs are only going to save the car industry. To fix it requires a redesign of cities (see Strongtowns, not justbikes, city beautiful, etc.).

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's only because the US and other first world countries have shied away from mining rare earth elements because it is traditionally a very dirty and polluting industry. So poor and developing countries did it their way... with slavery and incredibly ecologically damaging techniques.

    New techniques are being developed in the US that solve those problems. It originally wasn't worth the effort because we had plenty of lithium to make 18V drill batteries. Since BEVs have proven to be capable and desireable over the last decade, critical material supplies just didn't keep up and those new techniques were just a twinkle in the eye of some smart people.

    If you'd like to learn more about how we can completely avoid the slavery and pollution problems related to getting lithium, take a look at the Salton Sea enhanced geothermal projects. I am personally going to invest a portion of my life savings in that company if given the opportunity.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 years ago

    They haven't shied away, it is just more profitable to mine outside your borders using slave labour. The fact of it is, with planned obsolescence being the best way to ensure a steady demand of a product, and the environmental destruction required to support the manufacturing and use of EVs, they still are not a solution. They are a market solution which means it is profitable, and a lateral move at best, and a back step at worst.

    If EVs help the environment that is secondary.

    https://miningwatch.ca/publications/2023/9/6/contemporary-forms-slavery-and-canadian-mining-industry

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wasn't there just recently a study that found that contrary to what was predicted, the lifetime of the batteries is actually exceeding even manufacturer expectations? As in, they're losing capacity less than estimated?

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago

    Maybe, it sounds familiar. But if past trends are any indication, once enough of the market is dominated by EVs, there will be a lot more money to be made by lowering quality to a bare minimum.

    And the infrastructure argument still stands in that case.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 2 years ago

    EVs are only going to save the car industry. To fix it requires a redesign of cities (see Strongtowns, not justbikes, city beautiful, etc.).

    Nail on the head! EVs fix one problem, but the biggest problem is the idea of the personal vehicle. Most people shouldn't have a personal vehicle, especially for people who live in medium cities or larger. There should be a sort of car share instead.

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