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My god the amount of delusion in this comment is insane.
Yes it is. It is undeniably true that fluoride improves tooth health, and improves your health overall as a result.
I don’t believe it was ever a conspiracy theory that there weren’t WMDs. At least nothing beyond some random ass people in some corner of the internet. If we are including them though, literally everything is a conspiracy theory.
This isn’t true. The fact that they need to pay companies for information they can’t legally get elsewhere is proof of this. If they were spying on everything, they’d already know everything and there would be no crime. Unless you’re denying that assasination attempts happen on top government officials?
This isn’t even something that’s been proven beyond “well they haven’t said nothing happened so that means something happened!”
New world order is just bullshit. There’s never any actual proof of this theory beyond “omg government officials talk to each other! Conspiracy confirmed!”
Take your anti vaccine bullshit elsewhere. There is a mountain of evidence to support the “safe and effective” claims, and the people who try to debunk it literally don’t even understand what they are talking about. If you cross reference their data or what they claim something means, the holes are obvious. It’s the dunning center effect mixed with “I did my own research.”
UFOs existing was never “admitted to” by Congress. No more than “Jewish space lasers” starting forest fires. Three people said something in front of Congress, presented no evidence, and some of it wasn’t even first hand knowledge. How is that a confirmation exactly?
MKUltra was not what people claimed was happening when it comes to brain washing. The claim is almost always about sleeper agents who don’t know they are brainwashed carrying out activities only when they are “activated.” While I don’t doubt this has been attempted, it’s literally impossible with our understanding of the human brain at present.
Are you admitting you’re a bot? Or a shill?
This is just a given. Many powerful people are also: Sadistic, masochistic, like being pissed on, like pissing on people, are gay, are trans, are intersex, are murderers, sleep more than 10 hours a day. This is just how things work. If you get a large enough group of people, you’ll be able to find a subset that match any criteria you set.
Fluoride might be sufficiently safe in the drinking water and it's slightly effective but you know what would actually help? Dental hygiene. Fluoride in a form that actually stays with the teeth for more than a split second and has a chance to soak in instead of being drunk, i.e. toothpaste. Fluor in tap water is an absolute stop-gap measure introduced by a country which can't be arsed to have universal healthcare, they apparently can't even be arsed to have a campaign to get people to brush their fucking teeth.
Stop-gap measure like the Teletubbies. No, wait, hear me out: The whole thing is a very scientific, and successful, way to teach basic language skills to toddlers parked in front of the TV. It does the maximum possible in the situation but the results are still worse than plain old interactions with actual people.
Fluoride is more than slightly effective. It's the most sucessful public health project in history. It's saved millions of lives, is cheap AF, and is completely trivial to distribute.
The human body can't turn dietary fluoride into harder enamel, it has to stay on the teeth, topically, for a while to soak in. As such drinking water is a suboptimal way of going about applying it to teeth. Fluoride in toothpaste is highly effective. Dentists applying highly-concentrated fluoride stuff directly to your teeth even more. In people who actually get their teeth made resilient by such measures fluoridated drinking water has exactly zero impact as the teeth can't get more resilient, in people who don't, well, it's something, a little step. There's a reason Europe isn't fluoridating drinking water: We don't have huge segments of the population falling through the gaps of the health system.
And if you were Brasil or India that would make sense. The US, OTOH, does not have an excuse when it comes to stingy with more effective measures: You have the resources to do better.
The benefits were overstated but isn't "unsafe" the way our tinfoil-chapeaued comrade wants us to believe
You're the only who had a negative take but actually responded. That's encouraging that you aren't a bot. I'll just focus on this one though.
You might want to read what Snowden revealed. You're trying to argue none of those things are true but like I said, they're undeniably true. You're just uninformed as to the truth of it. If you'd like to know more then you should admit this one is undeniably true and I'd be happy to source the others. There were many things revealed but you can start with "Prism."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
It was already shown the US government is decrypting all internet traffic, storing all internet traffic in their data center in Utah, that they monitor all video, audio, and text communications. That they wire tap all phone communications and store it. All of this is done without a warrant and in violation of the constitution. They claim it is legal because they don't look at the data until they have a legal justification. So, they say they're not spying because even though they're spying on you, they only look at wire tap data if they have some way to legally justify it. They say it's legal because if you communicate in any way that a foreign person might receive it then they're actually spying on the foreign person's communication even though your data is the one being stored as well. They say it's legal because they only search records "related to a target." So if they find one bad guy they can find anyone with a link to them out to a factor of 100. Have you heard of 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon? Imagine 100 degrees and that you have a relationship if you post something on Lemmy for example with EVERYONE who views it. So if some bad guy overseas views your Lemmy post you're now connected to them and can be spied on using only the justification that they need to spy on that bad guy and anyone they "communicate with."
Your answer might refer to specific branches of the government. Obviously someone working in government grant reviews for agriculture isn't spying on everyone. But yes, the government as a whole is spying on everything you do. What's the point of sourcing anything else if no one can even accept this simple one that even the main stream media covered extensively over the last decade? I mean, they even just reauthorized the program a few weeks ago.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/four-more-months-of-section-702-snooping-slipped-into-890b-us-defense-budget-bill/ar-AA1lw8T1
Of course, the average person pays no attention but it doesn't make it untrue. It's sad when people are so uninformed and propagandized that they can't even accept the truths the government has admitted to, defended in court, and continues to authorize even as recently as a few weeks ago. Section 702. Another thread you can look into. There were a lot of threads and it goes far beyond what most people are even able to admit to themselves is technically possible such as the TLS (https, you know the lock on your browser) being easily back doored by the government. After all the entire basis of web encryption relies on "trust" of the certificate authorities who only need to be given a National Security Letter (another thread you can look into) such as when the Reddit canary was removed (another thread you can look into) in order for the government to abuse their position of "trust."
You would need to review all of these programs, understand the technology being discussed, and then you might be able to accept that, yes, the government is spying on you without a warrant and basically any electronic record you create is stored in an NSA database at a minimum. Then you'd also have to get people to begin to understand just how many records exist about their activity. That's a whole other discussion.
This is just one item. Notice all the responses are "thats crazy, you're a crazy person" but no one wants to actually engage in a discussion or refute the points. You're the only one who made an effort. Look at how much I had to type up and source for just that one point and you might still try to argue and say it's not true. I don't have time to type a book in response to things people can look up themselves if they care to know the truth because if they don't care to look it up they won't care to read or understand me anyway.
Aren't you literally not supposed to swallow flouride?
Cyanide is famously deadly, yet you eat it every time you eat an apple. Concentration matters.
Table salt would also kill you if you ate 1cup/2,5dl of it in one sitting.
The fluoride concentration in tap water is like 0.7mg/l. Toxic dose is 60 mg/kg, but 0.2 mg/kg is enough to cause some gastrointestinal discomfort. If I chug 16 liters of tap waters after I brushed my teeth I'll have some gastrointestinal discomfort from fluoride but I'll probably die from water poisoning first.
High concentrations of fluoride, sure. It’ll upset your stomach. Can even be toxic if you drink too much, but we’re talking over 10mg a day, when most of the time 1L of water has 0.7mg of fluoride. So unless you’re drinking over 14 liters of water a day, you’ll be just fine. And if you’re drinking that much water, you’re already at risk of water intoxication which is more concerning.
But in order to actually cause real harm you’re going to need to be eating large amounts of toothpaste and such.
Edit: To put this into perspective. Vitamin A, an essential vitamin humans require, which we literally go blind without (among other things) can be toxic when you take more than 3mg of it a day. That’s less than a third of fluoride. Just because something can become toxic in higher doses doesn’t mean it’s toxic when used properly.