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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Who are they selling your data to? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally everyone. Have you been living under a rock? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] snowe@programming.dev -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Google doesn’t sell your data, they’re one of the few that don’t. That doesn’t mean they aren’t misusing your data though. They’re more the dragon hoarder than the thief selling off stolen goods. They want all your data so they can learn everything about you. Selling your data to others makes it worth way less. It’s a difference in strategy. Google retains the data to enhance their products, Facebook sells your data because they have no products that would be improved by keeping it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry if I miscommunicated. No, they're not selling your home address. But the idea that they aren't monetizing your personal data aggressively is laughably wrong and heavily documented. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) So literally no one, then? I don't know who started this trend of "showing ads is the same thing as selling data" but it's fucking irritating to see so many people confidently wrong about something they could figure out themselves if they thought about Google's business model for 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Literally everyone. Have you been living under a rock? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] snowe@programming.dev -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Google doesn’t sell your data, they’re one of the few that don’t. That doesn’t mean they aren’t misusing your data though. They’re more the dragon hoarder than the thief selling off stolen goods. They want all your data so they can learn everything about you. Selling your data to others makes it worth way less. It’s a difference in strategy. Google retains the data to enhance their products, Facebook sells your data because they have no products that would be improved by keeping it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry if I miscommunicated. No, they're not selling your home address. But the idea that they aren't monetizing your personal data aggressively is laughably wrong and heavily documented. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) So literally no one, then? I don't know who started this trend of "showing ads is the same thing as selling data" but it's fucking irritating to see so many people confidently wrong about something they could figure out themselves if they thought about Google's business model for 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] snowe@programming.dev -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Google doesn’t sell your data, they’re one of the few that don’t. That doesn’t mean they aren’t misusing your data though. They’re more the dragon hoarder than the thief selling off stolen goods. They want all your data so they can learn everything about you. Selling your data to others makes it worth way less. It’s a difference in strategy. Google retains the data to enhance their products, Facebook sells your data because they have no products that would be improved by keeping it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry if I miscommunicated. No, they're not selling your home address. But the idea that they aren't monetizing your personal data aggressively is laughably wrong and heavily documented. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) So literally no one, then? I don't know who started this trend of "showing ads is the same thing as selling data" but it's fucking irritating to see so many people confidently wrong about something they could figure out themselves if they thought about Google's business model for 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sorry if I miscommunicated. No, they're not selling your home address. But the idea that they aren't monetizing your personal data aggressively is laughably wrong and heavily documented. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) So literally no one, then? I don't know who started this trend of "showing ads is the same thing as selling data" but it's fucking irritating to see so many people confidently wrong about something they could figure out themselves if they thought about Google's business model for 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) So literally no one, then? I don't know who started this trend of "showing ads is the same thing as selling data" but it's fucking irritating to see so many people confidently wrong about something they could figure out themselves if they thought about Google's business model for 30 seconds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uzay@infosec.pub 8 points 2 years ago Showing ads is not the same as selling data, but it's also not really what google is doing. Google spies on you and uses that data to sell access to you to any company that wants to exploit you. They've also been known to give (not sell) data on you to law enforcement based solely on your location data or things you looked up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] undercrust@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Since we're all dummies and you know the answers, please go ahead and explain how Google goes about selling heavily targeted ads to uniquely identifiable groups, but that they also are not "selling data". Are we being massively pedantic and saying that it's not actual user data, but rather leveraging said data to sell ads to the anonymized targeted groups, who are actively tracked by Google around the internet so ads can be served up at opportune times in their browsing? Because that dumb argument is like saying Oxford Dictionary doesn't sell words, they sell definitions; or that McDonalds doesn't sell beef, they sell hamburgers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago There is a massive massive difference between using the data and selling the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* They sell ads, but data. If you can't see the difference I can't help you. It's not "pedantic", it's being factual. Sorry you apparently think facts don't matter. permalink fedilink source parent