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Wishing unlimited commie posting on Blahaj zone to cleanse it of right wing cringe shit like this (hexbear.net)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net
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[–] 53 points 2 years ago (2 children)

An aesthetic that developed from rebellion against unjust hierarchies in society. Art doesn't exist in a vacuum.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    No but like, using "-punk" as a suffix denotes an aesthetic that is based on imagining a society built around a core aspect, generally an energy source. Like, steampunk is all cooper and big buttons, dieselpunk is all dark steel and plastics, and solarpunk is contemporary utopian urban design with a lot of green space

    The relationship to the anarchist punk movement is almost nonexistent remote

    If I'm not mistaken btw

    Edit : it comes from "cyberpunk" which definitely has punk vibes

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    dieselpunk is all dark steel and plastics,

    I had never heard of this and now all I can think is who the hell conceived of a world even more dependent on petrol. Why bother, just go outside and take pictures.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Dieselpunk is literally a fascist aesthetic derived primarily from the third reich. Like the primary examples of dieselpunk art are the more recent Wolfenstein games. It's literally just fascist tank worship.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Like the primary examples of dieselpunk art are the more recent Wolfenstein games

    I enjoyed the ones I've played so far, but have some real mixed feelings on the setting. In a vacuum there's nothing wrong with an alt-history world like that, but since it isnt in a vacuum, i hate how it buys into and therefore promotes the idea of Nazi scientific superiority and "superweapons" and over inflated sense of the wehrmachts power. It also completely erases the Soviet Union obviously. I don't remember but it probably puts forth human wave theory as why they lost

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    On the other hand, it's pretty fun to gun down nazis

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The second game also has cool Communists and Black Panthers in it which made gamers big mad.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Grace is cool as hell and she got more hate than the actual nazis or the abusive father figure. Stay mad anti-cracker-aktion gamers

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it got its start that way, but at the end of the day, if you picked out 5 self-described punks, you're liable to get a bunch of really disjointed political beliefs

    The punk scene has been divorced from its origins and is mainly just set dressing for a kind of aimless, plaintive rebellion

    Not to say that there aren't any punks out there who aren't cool, just that like a lot of other movements its been reduced to a commodity

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago*

    The point I'm trying to make is that you can't completely disassociate art from the material conditions that created it. I was having a conversation about this with someone else earlier today when we made the observation that He-Man is basically western Sailor Moon, complete with queer identities, similar criticisms of society and even does transformations similarly.

    They more or less independently ended up at the same thing, in the same time period, because the conditions in which they were created produced very similar outcomes. Both of them became gay cult icons to their audiences.

    You can't divorce art from the conditions that creates it. We could take the entire aesthetic from either of these shows and port it, then try to remove as much ideology as possible from it to transform it into something else... But the key element grounding the art can't be removed or you ultimately remove its identity, you turn it into an entirely different "aesthetic". The gay elements and style are a core part of the dna for these shows, a rebellion component that criticises the conditions in society at the time of their creation. They physically can't be removed from these shows without transforming the aesthetic feel of them too far for everyone to feel they're comparable or correct evolutions of the original art.

    The suffix -punk usage attempts to do this, but ultimately it continues to maintain a very small and un-removeable element of its core leftist DNA criticising society because it simply can't be entirely removed without transforming it into something nobody would call -punk anymore. They'd call it SolarFascism or some shit I don't know. Either way it would look transformatively different to Solar-punk in a way that people would no longer want to describe it as such.

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