▲ 95 ▼ anyone want a copy of "Great Man Theory the Magazine"? (hexbear.net) submitted 2 years ago by g_g@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net 54 comments fedilink hide all child comments imagine being the dorks that got put next to hitler lmao
[+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 2 years ago (2 children) They literally have Hitler right there on the cover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hitler did change the world alright. Not for the better (quite the oppositie actually), but he did change it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Magician@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've seen this technicality before, but it always feels hollow to me. Like yeah, hitler changed the world, but he was an opportunist at the right place at the right time when his style of rhetoric and politics appealed to a country going through the aftermath of a world war and the Great Depression. He didn't change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn't special at all. That's what makes fascism so dangerous. To describe him as a supernatural outlier of a person builds a myth that the things he did could only happen under the influence of a single charismatic person. Putting him on the list and the cover gives him credit he doesn't deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn’t change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn’t special at all. No one is. Like the OP said. Great man theory, the magazine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Just the other day I had been looking for an excuse to complain about this: This is offtopic, but the way that people whitewash the Weimar Republic by talking about Hitler like he was a wizard who cast a spell on Germany doesn't just have the effect of obscuring the political-economic conditions of fascism and its connection to long-standing European society, but further feeds into a fetishistic reverence for Hitler that encourages modern readers to hang off his every word to try to understand how the magic works, effectively working to spread his speeches even further than they would otherwise spread and lending a gravity to everything he says because, as far as many liberal histories were concerned, what he said was literally magic. It seems like a choice of characterization deliberately made so that the sins of the past can happen all the more easily for having already happened once, rather than protecting society from it using our past experience with it. Coverage like this rag provides is functionally carrying water for fascism by mystifying its causes permalink fedilink source parent [–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago It is one thing to recognize him and it is another to honor a place for him on the fucking cover. I don't know, I just very much don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 point 2 years ago Don't be so dramatic, Hitler and Oprah are basically at the same level. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm an atheist, an anti-theist, and the first person to point out fabrications in the Bible (shout-out to all of Matthew's testament on the resurrection), but there is absolutely no reason to believe Jesus wasn't a historical figure permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I play obtuse just to piss off Evangelicals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago I can't fault you for that permalink fedilink source parent [–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Yeah it's there's broad consensus on the historicity of Jesus as a man who definitely existed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 2 years ago (2 children) They literally have Hitler right there on the cover permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hitler did change the world alright. Not for the better (quite the oppositie actually), but he did change it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Magician@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've seen this technicality before, but it always feels hollow to me. Like yeah, hitler changed the world, but he was an opportunist at the right place at the right time when his style of rhetoric and politics appealed to a country going through the aftermath of a world war and the Great Depression. He didn't change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn't special at all. That's what makes fascism so dangerous. To describe him as a supernatural outlier of a person builds a myth that the things he did could only happen under the influence of a single charismatic person. Putting him on the list and the cover gives him credit he doesn't deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn’t change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn’t special at all. No one is. Like the OP said. Great man theory, the magazine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Just the other day I had been looking for an excuse to complain about this: This is offtopic, but the way that people whitewash the Weimar Republic by talking about Hitler like he was a wizard who cast a spell on Germany doesn't just have the effect of obscuring the political-economic conditions of fascism and its connection to long-standing European society, but further feeds into a fetishistic reverence for Hitler that encourages modern readers to hang off his every word to try to understand how the magic works, effectively working to spread his speeches even further than they would otherwise spread and lending a gravity to everything he says because, as far as many liberal histories were concerned, what he said was literally magic. It seems like a choice of characterization deliberately made so that the sins of the past can happen all the more easily for having already happened once, rather than protecting society from it using our past experience with it. Coverage like this rag provides is functionally carrying water for fascism by mystifying its causes permalink fedilink source parent [–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago It is one thing to recognize him and it is another to honor a place for him on the fucking cover. I don't know, I just very much don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 point 2 years ago Don't be so dramatic, Hitler and Oprah are basically at the same level. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (3 children) Hitler did change the world alright. Not for the better (quite the oppositie actually), but he did change it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Magician@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've seen this technicality before, but it always feels hollow to me. Like yeah, hitler changed the world, but he was an opportunist at the right place at the right time when his style of rhetoric and politics appealed to a country going through the aftermath of a world war and the Great Depression. He didn't change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn't special at all. That's what makes fascism so dangerous. To describe him as a supernatural outlier of a person builds a myth that the things he did could only happen under the influence of a single charismatic person. Putting him on the list and the cover gives him credit he doesn't deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn’t change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn’t special at all. No one is. Like the OP said. Great man theory, the magazine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Just the other day I had been looking for an excuse to complain about this: This is offtopic, but the way that people whitewash the Weimar Republic by talking about Hitler like he was a wizard who cast a spell on Germany doesn't just have the effect of obscuring the political-economic conditions of fascism and its connection to long-standing European society, but further feeds into a fetishistic reverence for Hitler that encourages modern readers to hang off his every word to try to understand how the magic works, effectively working to spread his speeches even further than they would otherwise spread and lending a gravity to everything he says because, as far as many liberal histories were concerned, what he said was literally magic. It seems like a choice of characterization deliberately made so that the sins of the past can happen all the more easily for having already happened once, rather than protecting society from it using our past experience with it. Coverage like this rag provides is functionally carrying water for fascism by mystifying its causes permalink fedilink source parent [–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago It is one thing to recognize him and it is another to honor a place for him on the fucking cover. I don't know, I just very much don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 point 2 years ago Don't be so dramatic, Hitler and Oprah are basically at the same level. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Magician@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've seen this technicality before, but it always feels hollow to me. Like yeah, hitler changed the world, but he was an opportunist at the right place at the right time when his style of rhetoric and politics appealed to a country going through the aftermath of a world war and the Great Depression. He didn't change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn't special at all. That's what makes fascism so dangerous. To describe him as a supernatural outlier of a person builds a myth that the things he did could only happen under the influence of a single charismatic person. Putting him on the list and the cover gives him credit he doesn't deserve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn’t change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn’t special at all. No one is. Like the OP said. Great man theory, the magazine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Just the other day I had been looking for an excuse to complain about this: This is offtopic, but the way that people whitewash the Weimar Republic by talking about Hitler like he was a wizard who cast a spell on Germany doesn't just have the effect of obscuring the political-economic conditions of fascism and its connection to long-standing European society, but further feeds into a fetishistic reverence for Hitler that encourages modern readers to hang off his every word to try to understand how the magic works, effectively working to spread his speeches even further than they would otherwise spread and lending a gravity to everything he says because, as far as many liberal histories were concerned, what he said was literally magic. It seems like a choice of characterization deliberately made so that the sins of the past can happen all the more easily for having already happened once, rather than protecting society from it using our past experience with it. Coverage like this rag provides is functionally carrying water for fascism by mystifying its causes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn’t change the world because of something clever or intrinsically special about him. He wasn’t special at all. No one is. Like the OP said. Great man theory, the magazine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] HexBroke@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent [–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theposterformerlyknownasgood@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) 1920s you mean. By the 30s I think the only other old bolshevik leaders still around were Lazar Kaganovich and Kalinin. Maybe Molotov if you count him. Edit: I tell a lie. Bubov was still in government until 36 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago* Synthesis: 1930s' Soviet Union had a ton of great men, but the material conditions lead to one of them, who was the most fitting for the situation, becoming the general secretary. I dunno this still smells like idealist thinking to me, it implies the material conditions have some metaphysical power to guide the right people to the right place. Considering how chaotic internal party politics were at the time Lenin could have easily been replaced by Trotsky or some other dildo like that. There could have also been a better person than Stalin for the job we can't really know for sure. Also I'd wager the USSR would maybe still be standing today if Lenin had lived longer than he had and planned the transition of power better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Just the other day I had been looking for an excuse to complain about this: This is offtopic, but the way that people whitewash the Weimar Republic by talking about Hitler like he was a wizard who cast a spell on Germany doesn't just have the effect of obscuring the political-economic conditions of fascism and its connection to long-standing European society, but further feeds into a fetishistic reverence for Hitler that encourages modern readers to hang off his every word to try to understand how the magic works, effectively working to spread his speeches even further than they would otherwise spread and lending a gravity to everything he says because, as far as many liberal histories were concerned, what he said was literally magic. It seems like a choice of characterization deliberately made so that the sins of the past can happen all the more easily for having already happened once, rather than protecting society from it using our past experience with it. Coverage like this rag provides is functionally carrying water for fascism by mystifying its causes permalink fedilink source parent
[–] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago It is one thing to recognize him and it is another to honor a place for him on the fucking cover. I don't know, I just very much don't like it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 point 2 years ago Don't be so dramatic, Hitler and Oprah are basically at the same level. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm an atheist, an anti-theist, and the first person to point out fabrications in the Bible (shout-out to all of Matthew's testament on the resurrection), but there is absolutely no reason to believe Jesus wasn't a historical figure permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I play obtuse just to piss off Evangelicals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago I can't fault you for that permalink fedilink source parent [–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Yeah it's there's broad consensus on the historicity of Jesus as a man who definitely existed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I play obtuse just to piss off Evangelicals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago I can't fault you for that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago I can't fault you for that permalink fedilink source parent
[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago Yeah it's there's broad consensus on the historicity of Jesus as a man who definitely existed permalink fedilink source parent
