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Good luck web devs (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev
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Alt text:Twitter post by Daniel Feldman (@d_feldman): Linux is the only major operating system to support diagonal mode (credit [Twitter] @xssfox). Image shows an untrawide monitor rotated about 45 degrees, with a horizontal IDE window taking up a bottom triangle. A web browser and settings menu above it are organized creating a window shape almost like a stepped pyramid.

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[–] 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Yeah, but I don't want to have an app on my phone for a store I go to once. I don't give a fuck if the page is ugly.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    That just means it shouldn't be a native app or a web app, but instead should be a plain ol' webpage that doesn't try to do app-y things in the first place. The notion that web pages have any legitimate reason to know your viewport size (let alone anything at all about the screen hardware itself) is like one of those "statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged" memes, except not satirical.

    Seriously: literally the entire defining principle of HTML (well, aside from the concept of "hyperlinks") is that the client has the freedom to decide how the page should be rendered, but misguided -- or megalomaniacal -- graphic designers webmasters front-end web "devs" have been trying to break it ever since.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Lol - in your other comment you suggested that web devs key off of screen rotation to resize the page, but now you're saying the client shouldn't know anything about the viewport at all? Which is it? And why would the rotation angle be useful if I don't know the aspect ratio of the screen? Or are we now assuming that widescreen will be a thing forever? I thought your ingenius idea was to be able to handle any use case.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lol - in your other comment you suggested that web devs key off of screen rotation to resize the page, but now you’re saying the client shouldn’t know anything about the viewport at all? Which is it?

    Legitimate apps key off screen rotation do fancy stuff. Web pages let the browser render them and don't try to do fancy stuff. It's not that fucking hard.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    or a web app, but instead should be a plain ol’ webpage

    I did not know about that distinction.

    Hmm, so are there actual inadequacies in the browser-rendered standards that lead people to do this? I'd buy that it's purely webpage sponsors wanting to be an all-powerful decider that controls what everyone sees and possibly thinks, but on the other hand I don't know enough about browser rendering and page design to be sure. All my webpages are pretty spartan and scream "backend guy".

    It'd sure be nice if we could go back to circa-2012 with no popups or stupid bloat.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I sort of agree with you to a degree, but I also think that the browser having knowledge of the size of your viewport actually has some use. Now, I would probably like it more if all webpages were just made with the restriction of not knowing the viewport size since that would dictate some design choices. Cellphones can just scroll around the page anyways. They should be second class citizens on the internet anyway in my opinion. The smartphone has been one of the worst inventions for the human race with how much it seems to isolate a lot of people more than connecting them.

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