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CPUSA condemns Hamas, praises zionist "communists," aligns with settlers (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] 41 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Feds. 100% feds. No other time has it been more true than to call them feds than this exact moment.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I disagree, there's been plenty of points in the past to say it. Folks just don't listen when it's said. Every leader since the death of comrade Hall has been a Democrat tailing sheepdog

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah but supporting Israel is the most blatant I've ever seen. It's such a clear cut one not to do. Literally the only people that believe this are the state department.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The key issue I take with Bachtell's article is his usually mealy-mouth libshit both-sidesing while cherry-picking quotes and sources from ceasefire groups in Israel to paint a more rosy distorted picture of reality where there's a significant anti-genocide movement in the fascist state of Israel, which unfortunately for our comrades among Maki that would like to see an end to their fascist regime doesn't exist in particular significance - in addition to his words condemning the genocide speaks from the other side of his mouth justifying the massacre with saying it's basically Israel's 9/11 in how it awakens deep within them the memories of being pogromed or genocided as sympathetic explanation for their unjustified fascist actions. All the while spending words in the article on the Palestine side exclusively attacking Hamas, ignoring the united front against Israeli fascism, and exclusively wording support for the captured Palestinian Authority IN ADDITION TO IGNORING THE DESIRES OF THE PALESTINIAN COMMUNISTS! We see in the beginning he namedrops Maki as the group trying to spearhead a ceasefire within fascist Israel, but former leader of CPUSA and now president and lead editor of CPUSA's paper 'Peoples World' gives only lip service to the Palestinian people.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Right. I think a good summary of the approach is that he intends to mislead people who don't have wider knowledge of other groups.

    It's a statement that relies on its reader being uninformed, guising itself as informing them when in fact it is actively trying to use their lack of information against them.

    Deeply suspicious behaviour for a "marxist".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Deeply suspicious behaviour for a "marxist".

    lol I would never utter the word Marxist or any derivative from it and any of that party's leadership's names in the same sentence - unless it's in one of the once-in-a-while posts where someone rediscovers they really fucking suck.

    Right. I think a good summary of the approach is that he intends to mislead people who don't have wider knowledge of other groups.

    It's a statement that relies on its reader being uninformed, guising itself as informing them when in fact it is actively trying to use their lack of information against them.

    liberal_media.jpg lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah the quotations are an irony use.

    liberal_media.jpg lol

    Mmm exactly.

    A proper approach here is to make a statement of position, and then also a clarifying statement detailing all of the information producing that position as a form of informing people fully and wholly. Much like the very large amount of effort we put into researching donbas and reaching a point where we could fully explain and justify our position on it, russia, ukraine, etc. Same goes for uighurs and so on. All these international crises events.

    If your position relies on the other person being uninformed to believe it, the position is shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    chefs-kiss well said. With that in mind, the shit article does make me more curious about the work of the scant ceasefire factions in the belly of the Israeli beast in addition to how the united front of the palestinian liberation factions came together, how they work together, and what their separate and collective goals are. Sounds like an educational opportunity.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My opinion on their work is that they are so hamstrung by being inside the fascist monster itself that they have to be very very careful about what they say and how they act else they will be simply crushed by the state. If they openly took a position against Israel they would all go to jail in a heartbeat, so they instead take up positions that are things like "save the hostages" and the like, anything that could convince other Israelis to pressure the state. They're in a very difficult position balancing going to jail against some sort of "popular" line surrounded by a population that is awfully radicalised to the far right by 70 years of fascist rule.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Yeah they're worse off than the communist movement in Korea, in my opinion. They not only have to be very careful with their words to avoid being stomped out by the State, but even then they are in danger from being assaulted brutally just for holding the most milquetoast opinions. I genuinely do not envy them and hope they can gain successes in their work no matter how limited it may seem.

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