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[+] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 184 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (18 children) SpaceX and starlink are dead in the water and utterly useless until Musk has them taken away. As long as he's running those, they're just shitty companies with lots of empty promises permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (7 children) I wouldn't say they're quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them. He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it. Tit for tat Disney and Tesla. If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service. If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) "when he felt like it" isn't exactly correct, he specifically didn't allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, if you're being invaded, doesn't anything you do to fight back count as "defense"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda. It's equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You can? Because he already has. Please do! permalink fedilink source parent [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something. The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money. If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades. Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it's kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can't get to. Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer. That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt permalink fedilink source parent [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 16 points 2 years ago (6 children) SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn't something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) What did spaceX do, exactly? We've had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't know why you're down voted. They've been promising man on mars any day now for years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (18 children) SpaceX and starlink are dead in the water and utterly useless until Musk has them taken away. As long as he's running those, they're just shitty companies with lots of empty promises permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (7 children) I wouldn't say they're quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them. He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it. Tit for tat Disney and Tesla. If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service. If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) "when he felt like it" isn't exactly correct, he specifically didn't allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, if you're being invaded, doesn't anything you do to fight back count as "defense"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda. It's equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You can? Because he already has. Please do! permalink fedilink source parent [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something. The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money. If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades. Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it's kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can't get to. Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer. That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt permalink fedilink source parent [–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 16 points 2 years ago (6 children) SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn't something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) What did spaceX do, exactly? We've had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't know why you're down voted. They've been promising man on mars any day now for years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (7 children) I wouldn't say they're quite dead in the water but he definitely has plenty of power to enshitify them. He already shut off the Ukraine from starlink when he felt like it. Tit for tat Disney and Tesla. If he fucks with SpaceX though, NASA can just stop dealing with them. They would go real quick from being profitable to begging for people to use their service. If he starts getting a lot of back pressure from the EU and US on what he can launch, I can put a serious dent in his wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) "when he felt like it" isn't exactly correct, he specifically didn't allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, if you're being invaded, doesn't anything you do to fight back count as "defense"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda. It's equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent [–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You can? Because he already has. Please do! permalink fedilink source parent [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something. The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money. If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades. Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it's kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can't get to. Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer. That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) "when he felt like it" isn't exactly correct, he specifically didn't allow them to use starlink to launch attacks on Russia, as it was meant to be used only for defense. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, if you're being invaded, doesn't anything you do to fight back count as "defense"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda. It's equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0c0c0@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, if you're being invaded, doesn't anything you do to fight back count as "defense"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Not according to the USA initially permalink fedilink source parent
[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The problem is, none of us have real knowledge about what happened there. All we have is conjecture and/or propaganda. It's equally reasonably possible that he has ties in Russia. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You can? Because he already has. Please do! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) SpaceX has never been a good investment for NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something. The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money. If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades. Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it's kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can't get to. Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer. That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt permalink fedilink source parent
[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Not necessarily SpaceX but they needed something. The problem with NASA is that the funding waxes and wains with the administrations, as does the demands of the administrations to give them the money. If something takes more than 8 years to happen chances are the project never comes to fruition. NASA has really slowed down in development in recent decades. Not all the innovation SpaceX is doing is really warranted, though most of it's kind of cool. But they are investing in research and development in places that NASA simply can't get to. Starlink is just a way for spacex to capitalize on that research and development. They are their own sister company customer. That said they can all turn into dog shit in a matter of months if somebody got a stick up their butt permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 16 points 2 years ago (6 children) SpaceX is the main contractor of NASA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn't something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) What did spaceX do, exactly? We've had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Because Republicans gutted NASA for decades. They absolutely loathed that it was a generally beloved program by everyone. And for every dollar of funding saw multiple times that in the value it created. What SpaceX did wasn't something that NASA had never thought of. They just never had the funding to really pursue it. And especially in the wasteful manner Elon musk has. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) What did spaceX do, exactly? We've had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (4 children) What did spaceX do, exactly? We've had re-usable spacecraft rated for human passengers since the Space Shuttle. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) Reentry vehicle sure. Launch vehicle, no. The ocean floor is littered with booster stage debris. NASA had experimented with a lot of different methods to reach orbit. And had even looked at things that SpaceX eventually built. But never had the funding to build themselves. SpaceX is nothing but the culmination of a Reagan era fascist fever, dream. Ofdismantling good governance. Privatizing everything possible and then price gouging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I just saw SpaceX's most recent rocket launch and it looked like they detached the boosters. I think they exploded afterwards, too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Absolutely. But that's only because Elon musk doesn't mind throwing away money. He's got so much of it. The rockets were supposed to stabilize themselves and land to be reused. He's blown up more rockets than NASA so far. In much less time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* Oh yeah, I was just curious what spaceX did cause it doesn't look like they accomplished anything we haven't done before. Maybe if they successfully implement re-usable boosters, then they would have done something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago SpaceX has Musk handlers to keep Musk away from SpaceX. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AWittyUsername@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Don't know why you're down voted. They've been promising man on mars any day now for years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] indigomirage@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent