It’s not just turnout, turnout was much higher in 2020 than 2016

This is another area Hillary's campaign fucked up, despite being very simple if looking at the larger picture.

The population increased like 16 million in that time.

So "turnout" when viewed as a total number makes it look like it constantly gets better. Hillary ignored that and chased beating Obama's total votes out of pride rather than focusing on the electoral college to win.

So its best to use percentages, and 2016 was the lowest it's been in 20 years, ironically enough, that was the other Clinton.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/politics/popular-vote-turnout-2016/index.html

In 2020 it was like 2/3s of eligible voters who voted. But it's a lot easier to motivate people to vote for someone solely because "they're not a Republican" when the Republican is already in office. Especially when the challenger is telling everyone they're going to fix all the shit the Republican is breaking.

But four years later after that didn't happen....

And I don't know how anyone can't forsee a decline in turnout.

And just to be safe I'll say it again:

Republicans only win when turnout is low, so we need to focus on increasing turnout

And poll numbers show Biden most likely won't be able to match 2020's numbers. Republicans tho...

Not many voted for trump in 2020 but won't in 2024.

The game isn't "get people to approve of my performance." The game isn't even "get most people to vote for me." The game is "get a marginal victory in a few states, because land matters more than people."

That was what givesomefucks was saying. Team Blue does not need any Team Red voters. They need Team Yellow and Team Green and Team No-Colour-Because-They-Stay-Home votes. But they keep reaching out to Team Red voters by shying to the Right in the stupid and hopeless quest to draw some of those voters over to their side, ignoring a much larger slice of people who don't want our government slipping to the right. Of course, I have my theory -- Team Green especially is horrible about staying home if they don't get EXACTLY what they want. Team Red SEEMS to be the more reliable answer than Team Green, but they've already bought the propaganda that we're all baby-eating, baby-f**king Satan worshippers over here on the Left.

I think your confusing me saying what the party has spent decades doing, and me saying it's a good idea.

Clearly it's not.

Because even if it gets a few in office, they're unwilling to actually fix anything because it may piss off the hypothetical former Republicans that never vote D anyways.

A cynic would say party leadership is smart enough to understand this, and it's all a lie to justify keeping donors happy. Because the party wants those donations and is banking on "what are you going to do, vote Republican?" To get just enough votes to win the election.

In reality it just makes the office cycle between the two parties. And Republicans break as much as they can, and Dems don't fix it fast enough before Republicans get it back.

Resulting in a slow but consistent destruction of America, which further depresses turnout and keeps the cycle going on a long timeline.

Which could all be fixed by electing progressives willing to try as hard as they can, even if they fail

If we do that, then the wealthy donors stop donating. And current party leadership gets replaced.

Good luck convincing them to do that.

In that case theree' no need to move right IR appeal to "centrist" voters so the Democratic cannidate can focus on turning out their base by throwing them red meat, right?

This. Democrats are way better with ideas and policies that help working people, minorities, women, LGBTQ people, non Christians, and the middle class. Republicans only have tax cut for the wealthy and culture war hate.

I wish Biden were more progressive, but he is a good president. And Trump is a criminal who wants to be a dictator.