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All of you saying 'Just Wait and See' are wrong. FB/Meta has [ edit, decades to decade plus ] DECADE + long track record that already shows us what that company will do.
Anything it can do to profit at the expense of anything else.
They absolutely 100% will EEE the Fediverse and the content coming out of Threads will be the same exact trash that comes from Facebook.
DO NOT TRUST META UNDER ANY REASON.
Wtf does EEE mean, why must people assume everyone knows every acronym
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
This was being discussed actively months ago. People would say the full embrace, extend.... then, but now there's a somewhat fair assumption that most who are actually on Lemmy might have the reference by now.
All you have to do is say, "what does EEE mean? " without the second half of your statement - no need to get angry.
The point of the second half is to try to dissuade others from simply relying on initialisms. It causes introspection. Maybe accusing others of being angry is uncalled for? It's possible to want to prompt introspection in others without being angry.
The problem is you come across as a demanding jackass and will likely receive a "fuck you" in response rather than the modified behaviour you think you're engendering.
Using initialisms prompt self learning for those that will, and wilful ignorance for those that will not. No one is responsible for anyone elses individual lack of capacity. Funny how your situation only encourages introspection in one half of the conversation.
What is the point of ever asking a question on the Internet if it should always just be met with "do your own research"? For the record, I did Google around and I couldn't find that Wikipedia article, and when I did see it in another comment, I didn't still understand the concept. This comes across as incredibly gatekeeper-y. Don't understand why I'm not "allowed" into the conversation because I'm being barred from context because I don't understand an initialism and my research failed.
I don't believe the people saying "just wait and see" are genuine users. I have a hard time fathoming that after Meta's atrocious history, as well as the history of what happens when large corporations get involved -- I simply can't believe these are more than paid shill accounts.
Or maybe I'm the one who's naive, thinking that people can't possibly be so foolish...
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupitiy, and I'm not so sure about the universe." - attributed to Albert Einstein
Sadly you are naive. People truly are that foolish.
Sometimes it brings me fleeting moments of doomerism, where I think maybe it will be good when we humans are gone
Yes. Also they aren't mutually exclusive ... unfortunately.
You'd be a moron to trust them obv, but how would Threads using ActivityPub extingush the Fediverse?
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
1. Embrace:
They implement ActivityPub and connect to all the available servers. A load of new users will see the content here and all the communities here will be absolutely flooded with new content and users.
2. Extend:
ActivityPub will be extended. Many new features will be added, that don't really match the standard, but they are mostly useful so some developers will try to add them to let's say Lemmy. They won't be blr to develop new features on their own and some stuff with threads will always be broken or half baked. Threads users will belittle the users here, some will maybe go there, cause it just works and is otherwise the same.
New users at the same time will most likely go directly to threads cause it's backed by a giant company, always works and has more features.
3. Extinguish:
They will cut the federation.
Communities here will feel empty and most users will just leave. Only the hard core will stay and that won't be sustainable. The fediverse becomes even less attractive for new users and will devolve into a niche community.
Throw 50 fulltime programmers at development and crowd everyone else out. Or fork it with something clearly superior since they can afford to pay people to work on it fulltime.
What does "crowd everyone else out" mean specifically here? People could still choose to use non-Threads ActivityPub apps.
I mean development. It's happened with other projects before when large corps get involved. Of course, the existing developers of a project don't have to allow that to happen.
Fork Mastodon? You mean like Threads?
Yeah, but open source it.
Right, I've also yet to see what defederating from a hypthetical Threads instance could prevent.
Especially given that Meta needs federation to comply with the Digital Markets Act.
They're a really good open source contributor with a great track record, I know people don't like saying good stuff about zuck related things but they've helped progress machine learning quite a bit. Pytourch is a great example iirc used in stable diffusion
Textbook FUD.
DECADES long? Facebook didn't even exist 2 decades ago bud. We know they're shit but you don't need to go around exaggerating everything and being so dramatic.
Please. Per wikipedia
Okay, 19 1/2 years. Hope that's more pleasing to you.
how DARE you miss 6 months? This just proves how righteous and noble facebook is if you have to lie about it!
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