▲ 1276 ▼ Google admits it's making YouTube worse for ad block users (www.theregister.com) submitted 2 years ago by TangledHyphae@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 312 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) You are correct. Fundamentally, it's the hosting and storage issue that's the crux of all this. And the only choices available are another corporation hosting and paying/passing on the cost, or all of us hosting on a peer-to-peer network, which will be slow, but doable. Having said that, the peer hosting method would work though, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. We just shouldn't expect the same level of service we do from YouTube or any corporation hosting videos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean torrenting works but i'll be damned if I'd need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You'd need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. It would definately be a slog to watch, vs a service that can just deliver the video to you in real time on demand. My only point is that you would be able to watch the video, after the slog, so that avenue should not be discounted as an option. Its not a great option, but still, an option. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=1mZrsunukUA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (5 children) Peertube is already just as good in terms of performance, it does need more content and better discoverability for sure permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does that performance scale once the user base matches even a fraction of YouTube? Probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago It uses P2P so I don't see why not permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Peertube is already just as good in terms of performance I don't think you can judge performance in an 'apple versus oranges' (pop usage) scenario though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel That's not my point though. My point is how much capacity versus how many people are using the service. You're trying to equate the same level of capacity when there's different levels of usage. Finally, how you implement the tech is as important as the tech itself, as it can be done either well, or poorly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) You are correct. Fundamentally, it's the hosting and storage issue that's the crux of all this. And the only choices available are another corporation hosting and paying/passing on the cost, or all of us hosting on a peer-to-peer network, which will be slow, but doable. Having said that, the peer hosting method would work though, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. We just shouldn't expect the same level of service we do from YouTube or any corporation hosting videos. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean torrenting works but i'll be damned if I'd need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You'd need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. It would definately be a slog to watch, vs a service that can just deliver the video to you in real time on demand. My only point is that you would be able to watch the video, after the slog, so that avenue should not be discounted as an option. Its not a great option, but still, an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean torrenting works but i'll be damned if I'd need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You'd need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. It would definately be a slog to watch, vs a service that can just deliver the video to you in real time on demand. My only point is that you would be able to watch the video, after the slog, so that avenue should not be discounted as an option. Its not a great option, but still, an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I mean torrenting works but i’ll be damned if I’d need to wait for the buffer to fill up every 30sec for the 1440p video. You’d need multiple versions pre-encoded to reduce network transfer and serverside transcoding. It would definately be a slog to watch, vs a service that can just deliver the video to you in real time on demand. My only point is that you would be able to watch the video, after the slog, so that avenue should not be discounted as an option. Its not a great option, but still, an option. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=1mZrsunukUA Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (5 children) Peertube is already just as good in terms of performance, it does need more content and better discoverability for sure permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does that performance scale once the user base matches even a fraction of YouTube? Probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago It uses P2P so I don't see why not permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Peertube is already just as good in terms of performance I don't think you can judge performance in an 'apple versus oranges' (pop usage) scenario though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel That's not my point though. My point is how much capacity versus how many people are using the service. You're trying to equate the same level of capacity when there's different levels of usage. Finally, how you implement the tech is as important as the tech itself, as it can be done either well, or poorly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does that performance scale once the user base matches even a fraction of YouTube? Probably not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago It uses P2P so I don't see why not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 years ago It uses P2P so I don't see why not permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Peertube is already just as good in terms of performance I don't think you can judge performance in an 'apple versus oranges' (pop usage) scenario though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel That's not my point though. My point is how much capacity versus how many people are using the service. You're trying to equate the same level of capacity when there's different levels of usage. Finally, how you implement the tech is as important as the tech itself, as it can be done either well, or poorly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel That's not my point though. My point is how much capacity versus how many people are using the service. You're trying to equate the same level of capacity when there's different levels of usage. Finally, how you implement the tech is as important as the tech itself, as it can be done either well, or poorly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are using known tech, they did not reinvent the wheel That's not my point though. My point is how much capacity versus how many people are using the service. You're trying to equate the same level of capacity when there's different levels of usage. Finally, how you implement the tech is as important as the tech itself, as it can be done either well, or poorly. permalink fedilink source parent