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Privacy is Priceless, but Signal is Expensive (signal.org)
submitted 2 years ago* by to c/technology@beehaw.org
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We estimate that by 2025, Signal will require approximately $50 million dollars a year to operate—and this is very lean compared to other popular messaging apps that don’t respect your privacy.

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[–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Indeed. Xmpp is lost as a general purpose chat app for everyone. I have many issues with matrix but it's the best chance we have, particularly with bridges.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    XMPP is the IETF Internet Standard while Matrix is just another custom IM protocol managed by a venture capital funded startup which keeps losing money.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I don't disagree with that statement; however, that doesn't make it something the general public will embrace. Its mess of extensions are top little too late. That ship has long sailed. And I say this as someone that prefers using XMPP for 1:1 chats

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Edit: Sorry, I responded to the wrong parent.

    I don't believe Matrix is better positioned than XMPP to succeed. On a technical aspect, Matrix hasn't managed to stabilize its protocol, and they've been a decade into it. This has resulted in only a single organization being in charge of the protocol, the client and the server implementations. This isn't sound, this isn't sustainable. And now, unsurprisingly, this organization is in a financial crisis, has lost important customers, has no budget secured to maintain its staff in the next years, and recently underwent a major licensing change that we can only interpret as a shift towards an opencore model at the detriment of the regular user.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    The license change is to a GPL variant from the Apache license. How does that affect the regular user? Wouldn't it be better?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can't pretend to know the future, but if you read between the lines and the justifications provided, this isn't really about AGPL per se, but about Element brokering AGPL exceptions. Practically we can expect all kinds of forks with opencore options that might enshittify the user experience in different ways, and further solidification of Element's single-handed control over Matrix (which had been a prime concern for many years). Matrix is by the day closer to the closed-source centralized silos it was first pretending to oppose.

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