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And you know what, that might just very well be true if we’re talking about some supernatural force that is indifferent to its creations, not out of malice, but because it simply is truly neutral.

But as evidence for the religious capital ‘G’ God, the one who communicates and plans every little detail because he loves us so much? What is the point of these “subtle” proofs that took thousands of years to be studied and recorded when he has shown that he can just pop up anywhere or perform miracles and whatever the fuck.

It is no coincidence that the vast majority, possibly 99%, of devout religious people do not give a shit about using math to explain god because it’s all proven in their holy books. It is no coincidence that the “empirical” evidence is, in reality, just pointing at the existence of features and concepts of math and science rather than utilizing said features and concepts to prove the existence of god. And no, philosophical musings about morality using the language of mathematical proofs does not count as utilizing math and science (literally, all the axioms in these types of "proofs" are subjective shit like "bad" and "good" and not, say, the difference between 1 and 0).

And I didn’t even want to make a post dunking on religion, but I’m irritated because YouTube recommended some dumbass video by a channel called “Reformed Zoomer” and one of the arguments is “there is an infinite range of numbers between two numbers, and if we turn those numbers into letters, then every book possible has already been written. Checkmate atheoids”. https://youtu.be/z0hxb5UVaNE?si=RpjF6S0fHiF71iH-

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Studying the history of religion turned me into an atheist (or at least agnostic), and I honestly have trouble understanding why it doesn't do that to everyone. Organized religions change their doctrine according to the spiritual needs of the society they preach to, not according to what some ancient all powerful being dictated at some point, and it's completely obvious that that happens even if you just observe the way religious figures change behavior in real time and use your memory to spot the changes.

Like, why would God change their opinion on homosexuality? If they're omniscient then they should have been right all along, which either means that certain church leaders are softening on the issue as a cynical ploy to get more followers, or they don't actually have a clue what God believes and are just making it up on the spot - either way, whether or not a God exists is irrelevant, because the inescapable conclusion is that organized religions don't speak for them and are just making shit up.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

The histories of Mormonism and Scientology are incredibly funny and probably mirrors the olden days

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Man created god in his own image.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I came up with that quote one day and thought I was hot shit, then I learned Feuerbach said it first doomer

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Studying the history of religion turned me into an atheist (or at least agnostic), and I honestly have trouble understanding why it doesn't do that to everyone.

Same. I want every Christian to watch this. It's not a Reddit Atheist spiel, it's just an honest straightforward history of their own religion made by a buy who is himself religious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: