TranscendentalEmpire comments on Italy bans cultivated meat products

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

procedures will be patented and they will be insanely expensive then the countries owning the patent will co-opt the vegans' agenda to make eating meat illegal all over the world unless it's lab meat

That's not how IP laws work..... First, were assuming something is going to be "insanely expensive", which doesn't exactly make sense when talking about food. If you invent a product that has that high of a production cost, no one is going to buy it.

Second, you are assuming that there is only one way to produce lab meats, or that one corporation is going to patent every single possible way to create lab meat. Patenting a process is a lot harder to enforce than patenting an end product, just slightly changing the process would be enough to invalidate most procedural patents.

Lastly, by what means would a corporation make meat eating illegal? We don't have a world government, we cant even prevent the mass slaughter of humans, let alone animals.

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[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

We don't have a world government

But we have people all too willing to serve foreign interests, specially after meetings with representatives of their government. That's enough.

First, were assuming something is going to be "insanely expensive", which doesn't exactly make sense when talking about food.

It involves applied science. In many countries, scientific investigations are being dismantled as we speak. So they would depend on foreign patents to be able to reproduce the process.

If you invent a product that has that high of a production cost, no one is going to buy it.

Unless you need it to survive. Many countries pay huge patent costs for medication their populations need.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

But we have people all too willing to serve foreign interests, specially after meetings with representatives of their government. That's enough

To establish an international cartel enforced by international law........ No. If that was the case why wouldn't corporations do this for everything they produce? This is just silly conspiratorial thinking.

It involves applied science. In many countries, scientific investigations are being dismantled as we speak. So they would depend on foreign patents to be able to reproduce the process.

So does literally all manufacturing...... I don't think you understand how IP law works, and how hard it is to defend your IP even in the US, let alone on the international stage.

Unless you need it to survive. Many countries pay huge patent costs for medication their populations need.

But we don't require meat at all to survive....How exactly are you going to curb demand for regular meat if lab meat is priced at extortion level pricing.

Many countries pay huge patent costs for medication their populations need.

Yes, because when you patent a drug, you are patenting a product, not the process that you utilized to make the product. Other people can utilize the same process, but not if they are making the same exact product. Pharmacology is just specific enough that changing a product significantly enough to avoid a patent violation will also make the drug ineffectual.

Pharmacology is also unique in the fact that it has to pass stringent and expensive clinical testing. So there is no innate benefit in creating a competing drug, as it would be just as difficult and expensive to recreate, and you would be competing with an already established brand.

Pretty much everything you claimed is only somewhat pertinent to the pharmaceutical industry, and only because of the extreme cost of entry due to the necessary regulation.

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[–] richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

If that was the case why wouldn’t corporations do this for everything they produce?

They do it for medicine.

But we don’t require meat at all to survive…How exactly are you going to curb demand for regular meat if lab meat is priced at extortion level pricing.

Inserting ideology it's usually enough. Stupid legislation removing rights for religious reasons has been ridiculously easy to pass recently in many countries. Create a stupid enough ideological reason and any idea can be voted for the populace.

Pharmacology is just specific enough that changing a product significantly enough to avoid a patent violation will also make the drug ineffectual.

For that you need science. My country just elected a president who's vowed to destroy public education, to eliminate all subsidies for scientific investigation and reducing the state to the minimal expression. That's enough to have drugs only manufactured by companies who can name whatever price they like for their medications.

Pretty much everything you claimed is only somewhat pertinent to the pharmaceutical industry, and only because of the extreme cost of entry due to the necessary regulation.

There is life outside the US, you know.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago

They do it for medicine

Yeah, I already explained the circumstances that allow for natural monopolies to thrive. Qhy do you think you don't see this outside of medicine?

Inserting ideology it's usually enough. Stupid legislation removing rights for religious reasons has been ridiculously easy to pass recently in many countries. Create a stupid enough ideological reason and any idea can be voted for the populace.

I was talking about price and consumption, now your talking about legislation that would force people to buy food they can't afford...... You're moving the goal post, and with a claim that makes no sense.

That's enough to have drugs only manufactured by companies who can name whatever price they like for their medications.

That's not how the price of medication is determined...... Insurance groups, or social medical systems barter as a group with drug corporations over drug prices. Even if your country abandoned government funding for science, I doubt it's going to be the cause of increased prices for medication. The vast majority of countries import their medications, as most lack the civil regulatory bodies that would be able to clinically test a medicationa efficacy.

If your prices go up, it's probably because to someone in the government is getting kickbacks from drug corporations to be less aggressive in their group bartering process.

There is life outside the US, you know.

You are the one who is utilizing the American pharmacutical industry as an evidence to support your assertion.

Your original claim is literally impossible. The economic, intellectual property rights, and geopolitical legislation you used in your argument are all inaccurate.

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