▲ 170 ▼ Car dealers say they can’t sell EVs, tell Biden to slow their rollout (arstechnica.com) submitted 2 years ago by DannyMac@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 72 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] starbreaker@kbin.social 67 points 2 years ago (19 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (9 children) For real, I just had a transmission eat all my money. A transmission! Thats what we're dealing with and they're wondering why we aren't scrambling to pay tens of thousands. We simply do not have it. Also my landlord increased my rent at the same time. This place works for no one but the already rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) It doesn't sound like you were going to buy a new car of any kind. Their argument supposedly isn't that people aren't buying new cars, but that they're buying EVs at a slower rate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'd buy an EV if I could afford one. Shit, when that transmission went out it would have been a good time to consider. But not with the price tags on everything and my 2004 wages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) The average new car in 2023 was like $47,000, would you have bought a new car at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You will own nothing and be happy. Google that and you understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago There is no lack of understanding here. But thats not the goal. There is no unified goal. We live in the era of a thousand fiefdoms, all allowed to own an exchange and partially own each other's serfs. It is the endless gnawing masses. The sweet older couple down the street is just as guilty of the C Suite for profit motives, as their retirement depends on the stock market. A vicious, self-defeating cycle straight into the Garbage Wastes of Tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago The world economic forum has less actual power than the city counsel of buffalo New York. They aren’t the Illuminati they’re a bunch of jackasses trying to make an economic system that eats itself whenever it’s put in a position where it can sustainable without saying no to eating itself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hypx@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) BEVs are fundamentally more expensive than conventional cars. That is the real problem here. Blaming the dealers won't change that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* But not if you take into account the leveled cost of ownership. But it's an up front cost rather than spread out, so it's more difficult. Plus the cost can be way lower if people okay with shorter range smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] LWD@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) With average us energy mix and fuel economy, a new EV will have emitted less co2 than continuing to use an old gas car after about a year. There are factors other than just co2 to the environment, (for example, cobalt mining is pretty bad) but EVs are much better on co2 at least. https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/6RhtiPefVzM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (9 children) For real, I just had a transmission eat all my money. A transmission! Thats what we're dealing with and they're wondering why we aren't scrambling to pay tens of thousands. We simply do not have it. Also my landlord increased my rent at the same time. This place works for no one but the already rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) It doesn't sound like you were going to buy a new car of any kind. Their argument supposedly isn't that people aren't buying new cars, but that they're buying EVs at a slower rate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'd buy an EV if I could afford one. Shit, when that transmission went out it would have been a good time to consider. But not with the price tags on everything and my 2004 wages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) The average new car in 2023 was like $47,000, would you have bought a new car at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You will own nothing and be happy. Google that and you understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago There is no lack of understanding here. But thats not the goal. There is no unified goal. We live in the era of a thousand fiefdoms, all allowed to own an exchange and partially own each other's serfs. It is the endless gnawing masses. The sweet older couple down the street is just as guilty of the C Suite for profit motives, as their retirement depends on the stock market. A vicious, self-defeating cycle straight into the Garbage Wastes of Tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago The world economic forum has less actual power than the city counsel of buffalo New York. They aren’t the Illuminati they’re a bunch of jackasses trying to make an economic system that eats itself whenever it’s put in a position where it can sustainable without saying no to eating itself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (5 children) It doesn't sound like you were going to buy a new car of any kind. Their argument supposedly isn't that people aren't buying new cars, but that they're buying EVs at a slower rate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'd buy an EV if I could afford one. Shit, when that transmission went out it would have been a good time to consider. But not with the price tags on everything and my 2004 wages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) The average new car in 2023 was like $47,000, would you have bought a new car at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'd buy an EV if I could afford one. Shit, when that transmission went out it would have been a good time to consider. But not with the price tags on everything and my 2004 wages. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) The average new car in 2023 was like $47,000, would you have bought a new car at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) The average new car in 2023 was like $47,000, would you have bought a new car at all? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well, you see, you don't have to pay the entirety of the 47k right away. I have no idea why but they said I couldn't make payments on the transmission when I asked in person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) While I agree that EVs are too expensive, it just sounds like you're making the argument that you can't buy any new car. Which is also fair but different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thats true, too. I can't afford shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) You will own nothing and be happy. Google that and you understand. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago There is no lack of understanding here. But thats not the goal. There is no unified goal. We live in the era of a thousand fiefdoms, all allowed to own an exchange and partially own each other's serfs. It is the endless gnawing masses. The sweet older couple down the street is just as guilty of the C Suite for profit motives, as their retirement depends on the stock market. A vicious, self-defeating cycle straight into the Garbage Wastes of Tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago The world economic forum has less actual power than the city counsel of buffalo New York. They aren’t the Illuminati they’re a bunch of jackasses trying to make an economic system that eats itself whenever it’s put in a position where it can sustainable without saying no to eating itself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago There is no lack of understanding here. But thats not the goal. There is no unified goal. We live in the era of a thousand fiefdoms, all allowed to own an exchange and partially own each other's serfs. It is the endless gnawing masses. The sweet older couple down the street is just as guilty of the C Suite for profit motives, as their retirement depends on the stock market. A vicious, self-defeating cycle straight into the Garbage Wastes of Tomorrow. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago The world economic forum has less actual power than the city counsel of buffalo New York. They aren’t the Illuminati they’re a bunch of jackasses trying to make an economic system that eats itself whenever it’s put in a position where it can sustainable without saying no to eating itself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hypx@kbin.social -4 points 2 years ago (8 children) BEVs are fundamentally more expensive than conventional cars. That is the real problem here. Blaming the dealers won't change that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* But not if you take into account the leveled cost of ownership. But it's an up front cost rather than spread out, so it's more difficult. Plus the cost can be way lower if people okay with shorter range smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] LWD@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) With average us energy mix and fuel economy, a new EV will have emitted less co2 than continuing to use an old gas car after about a year. There are factors other than just co2 to the environment, (for example, cobalt mining is pretty bad) but EVs are much better on co2 at least. https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/6RhtiPefVzM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago* But not if you take into account the leveled cost of ownership. But it's an up front cost rather than spread out, so it's more difficult. Plus the cost can be way lower if people okay with shorter range smaller vehicles. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] LWD@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) With average us energy mix and fuel economy, a new EV will have emitted less co2 than continuing to use an old gas car after about a year. There are factors other than just co2 to the environment, (for example, cobalt mining is pretty bad) but EVs are much better on co2 at least. https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/6RhtiPefVzM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LWD@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) With average us energy mix and fuel economy, a new EV will have emitted less co2 than continuing to use an old gas car after about a year. There are factors other than just co2 to the environment, (for example, cobalt mining is pretty bad) but EVs are much better on co2 at least. https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/6RhtiPefVzM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) With average us energy mix and fuel economy, a new EV will have emitted less co2 than continuing to use an old gas car after about a year. There are factors other than just co2 to the environment, (for example, cobalt mining is pretty bad) but EVs are much better on co2 at least. https://youtu.be/6RhtiPefVzM permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/6RhtiPefVzM Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Sir, I fear you may suffocate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent