▲ 32 ▼ Nearly a quarter of Republicans say classified docs charges make them more likely to support Trump: poll (thehill.com) submitted 3 years ago by Col3814444@kbin.social to c/politics@kbin.social 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments More than 20 percent of Republicans surveyed said certain criminal charges against former President Trump have made them more likely to support him in the 2024 election, according to a new Ipsos poll released Thursday.
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 29 points 3 years ago (2 children) "I love how he commits crimes openly and shares American national secrets with anyone he can aggrandize or enrich himself by." Trump supporters really are just the worst people. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not just the worst people but failed human beings. They lack any redeeming qualities to make them near human. There is no saving them, no redemption, no undoing what damage they have willingly accepted to themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't go around and start claiming any group "lacks qualities to make them human". Dehumanizing people doesn't work out well, ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] btaf45@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay but can you imagine how morally a person must be who excuses every crime committed by Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Are they shitty human beings? Sure. Despicable, corrupt, hypocritical and damaging human beings. Absolutely they are, but they're still people. They might try to dehumanize democrats and liberals and I push back at that point as well. I don't believe dehumanizing anyone, regardless of whatever they have done. People are capable of a wide set of behaviors and that has to be reconciled. Anyone is capable of becoming a monster, and throughout history anytime you start to dehumanize a group, you open the door for everyday people to become monsters. For me personally, I can't claim to be morally or ethically superior to these terrible people if I'm not better than they are, by not painting them as subhuman. Most of the population is moderate and so painting this massive group as things that shouldn't be is dangerous. It's never worked out for anyone well when that basic, knee jerk reaction happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Until they prove otherwise, I will not view them as worthy of any respect or recognition that I would give a normal person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You should give everyone respect and dignity, even if they don't. You don't have to accept their views or be nice to them but they deserve the same basic respect and dignity any human being does. Painting this picture of a group of people being beneath your group has historically not worked out in terrible ways. It's not a good or healthy response to political discourse and doing what they're doing has never been a valid justification. If you want to act like they do, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalucifer@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) i have more sympathy than anything else for them. i see them as a very sad lot, who desperately need psychiatric counseling and for many, an actual education. dehumanizing them dehumanizes you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kill_joy@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago Unfortunately, they are the first to cut education funds, strip our schools of essential curriculum, and believe our teachers are subhuman and should make minimum wage. I say fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I used to have sympathy and compassion for them. I truly did. Their response to everything throughout the pandemic, their vitriolic attacks towards anything and anyone that was working to provide support, sympathy, empathy, compassion, or just improving the lives of those less fortunate have erased any sense of good will that I may have had for them. If dehumanizing them dehumanizes me, then I accept it. They don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy or respect. The new only thing they deserve is contempt and the consequences of their actions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Drusas@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) As others have said, they are basically cultists. Cultists are people who have been taken advantage of for their naivety and can be saved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago How many have you seen or heard of that have been saved or recovered from being in the Trump cult? I’ve seen so many times that these wastes of humans will double down on their cult beliefs rather than accept that they have been taken advantage of. Hell, a significant number of them want to actively hunt down “liberals” and shoot them dead. You might be able to save the ones who don’t listen to his word as gospel, but that number is low. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago he's such a patriot. The biggest patriot. and he can get away with it in broad daylight! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darnov@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (3 children) Not just the worst people but failed human beings. They lack any redeeming qualities to make them near human. There is no saving them, no redemption, no undoing what damage they have willingly accepted to themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't go around and start claiming any group "lacks qualities to make them human". Dehumanizing people doesn't work out well, ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] btaf45@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay but can you imagine how morally a person must be who excuses every crime committed by Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Are they shitty human beings? Sure. Despicable, corrupt, hypocritical and damaging human beings. Absolutely they are, but they're still people. They might try to dehumanize democrats and liberals and I push back at that point as well. I don't believe dehumanizing anyone, regardless of whatever they have done. People are capable of a wide set of behaviors and that has to be reconciled. Anyone is capable of becoming a monster, and throughout history anytime you start to dehumanize a group, you open the door for everyday people to become monsters. For me personally, I can't claim to be morally or ethically superior to these terrible people if I'm not better than they are, by not painting them as subhuman. Most of the population is moderate and so painting this massive group as things that shouldn't be is dangerous. It's never worked out for anyone well when that basic, knee jerk reaction happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Until they prove otherwise, I will not view them as worthy of any respect or recognition that I would give a normal person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You should give everyone respect and dignity, even if they don't. You don't have to accept their views or be nice to them but they deserve the same basic respect and dignity any human being does. Painting this picture of a group of people being beneath your group has historically not worked out in terrible ways. It's not a good or healthy response to political discourse and doing what they're doing has never been a valid justification. If you want to act like they do, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] originalucifer@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) i have more sympathy than anything else for them. i see them as a very sad lot, who desperately need psychiatric counseling and for many, an actual education. dehumanizing them dehumanizes you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kill_joy@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago Unfortunately, they are the first to cut education funds, strip our schools of essential curriculum, and believe our teachers are subhuman and should make minimum wage. I say fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I used to have sympathy and compassion for them. I truly did. Their response to everything throughout the pandemic, their vitriolic attacks towards anything and anyone that was working to provide support, sympathy, empathy, compassion, or just improving the lives of those less fortunate have erased any sense of good will that I may have had for them. If dehumanizing them dehumanizes me, then I accept it. They don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy or respect. The new only thing they deserve is contempt and the consequences of their actions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Drusas@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) As others have said, they are basically cultists. Cultists are people who have been taken advantage of for their naivety and can be saved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago How many have you seen or heard of that have been saved or recovered from being in the Trump cult? I’ve seen so many times that these wastes of humans will double down on their cult beliefs rather than accept that they have been taken advantage of. Hell, a significant number of them want to actively hunt down “liberals” and shoot them dead. You might be able to save the ones who don’t listen to his word as gospel, but that number is low. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago (2 children) I wouldn't go around and start claiming any group "lacks qualities to make them human". Dehumanizing people doesn't work out well, ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] btaf45@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay but can you imagine how morally a person must be who excuses every crime committed by Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Are they shitty human beings? Sure. Despicable, corrupt, hypocritical and damaging human beings. Absolutely they are, but they're still people. They might try to dehumanize democrats and liberals and I push back at that point as well. I don't believe dehumanizing anyone, regardless of whatever they have done. People are capable of a wide set of behaviors and that has to be reconciled. Anyone is capable of becoming a monster, and throughout history anytime you start to dehumanize a group, you open the door for everyday people to become monsters. For me personally, I can't claim to be morally or ethically superior to these terrible people if I'm not better than they are, by not painting them as subhuman. Most of the population is moderate and so painting this massive group as things that shouldn't be is dangerous. It's never worked out for anyone well when that basic, knee jerk reaction happens. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Until they prove otherwise, I will not view them as worthy of any respect or recognition that I would give a normal person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You should give everyone respect and dignity, even if they don't. You don't have to accept their views or be nice to them but they deserve the same basic respect and dignity any human being does. Painting this picture of a group of people being beneath your group has historically not worked out in terrible ways. It's not a good or healthy response to political discourse and doing what they're doing has never been a valid justification. If you want to act like they do, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] btaf45@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay but can you imagine how morally a person must be who excuses every crime committed by Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Are they shitty human beings? Sure. Despicable, corrupt, hypocritical and damaging human beings. Absolutely they are, but they're still people. They might try to dehumanize democrats and liberals and I push back at that point as well. I don't believe dehumanizing anyone, regardless of whatever they have done. People are capable of a wide set of behaviors and that has to be reconciled. Anyone is capable of becoming a monster, and throughout history anytime you start to dehumanize a group, you open the door for everyday people to become monsters. For me personally, I can't claim to be morally or ethically superior to these terrible people if I'm not better than they are, by not painting them as subhuman. Most of the population is moderate and so painting this massive group as things that shouldn't be is dangerous. It's never worked out for anyone well when that basic, knee jerk reaction happens. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Are they shitty human beings? Sure. Despicable, corrupt, hypocritical and damaging human beings. Absolutely they are, but they're still people. They might try to dehumanize democrats and liberals and I push back at that point as well. I don't believe dehumanizing anyone, regardless of whatever they have done. People are capable of a wide set of behaviors and that has to be reconciled. Anyone is capable of becoming a monster, and throughout history anytime you start to dehumanize a group, you open the door for everyday people to become monsters. For me personally, I can't claim to be morally or ethically superior to these terrible people if I'm not better than they are, by not painting them as subhuman. Most of the population is moderate and so painting this massive group as things that shouldn't be is dangerous. It's never worked out for anyone well when that basic, knee jerk reaction happens. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Until they prove otherwise, I will not view them as worthy of any respect or recognition that I would give a normal person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You should give everyone respect and dignity, even if they don't. You don't have to accept their views or be nice to them but they deserve the same basic respect and dignity any human being does. Painting this picture of a group of people being beneath your group has historically not worked out in terrible ways. It's not a good or healthy response to political discourse and doing what they're doing has never been a valid justification. If you want to act like they do, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinalFallacy@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) You should give everyone respect and dignity, even if they don't. You don't have to accept their views or be nice to them but they deserve the same basic respect and dignity any human being does. Painting this picture of a group of people being beneath your group has historically not worked out in terrible ways. It's not a good or healthy response to political discourse and doing what they're doing has never been a valid justification. If you want to act like they do, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't be with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Respect is not something to be freely given, but earned. That is something that I and many others have been taught, and have learned through experience. Dignity can be given, but when you abandon your own dignity you will find others who will not provide it to you. You seem to exercise the paradox of tolerance. I cannot and will not tolerate the intolerant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] originalucifer@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (2 children) i have more sympathy than anything else for them. i see them as a very sad lot, who desperately need psychiatric counseling and for many, an actual education. dehumanizing them dehumanizes you permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kill_joy@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago Unfortunately, they are the first to cut education funds, strip our schools of essential curriculum, and believe our teachers are subhuman and should make minimum wage. I say fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I used to have sympathy and compassion for them. I truly did. Their response to everything throughout the pandemic, their vitriolic attacks towards anything and anyone that was working to provide support, sympathy, empathy, compassion, or just improving the lives of those less fortunate have erased any sense of good will that I may have had for them. If dehumanizing them dehumanizes me, then I accept it. They don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy or respect. The new only thing they deserve is contempt and the consequences of their actions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kill_joy@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago Unfortunately, they are the first to cut education funds, strip our schools of essential curriculum, and believe our teachers are subhuman and should make minimum wage. I say fuck 'em. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darnov@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago I used to have sympathy and compassion for them. I truly did. Their response to everything throughout the pandemic, their vitriolic attacks towards anything and anyone that was working to provide support, sympathy, empathy, compassion, or just improving the lives of those less fortunate have erased any sense of good will that I may have had for them. If dehumanizing them dehumanizes me, then I accept it. They don’t deserve anyone’s sympathy or respect. The new only thing they deserve is contempt and the consequences of their actions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Drusas@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) As others have said, they are basically cultists. Cultists are people who have been taken advantage of for their naivety and can be saved. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago How many have you seen or heard of that have been saved or recovered from being in the Trump cult? I’ve seen so many times that these wastes of humans will double down on their cult beliefs rather than accept that they have been taken advantage of. Hell, a significant number of them want to actively hunt down “liberals” and shoot them dead. You might be able to save the ones who don’t listen to his word as gospel, but that number is low. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Darnov@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago How many have you seen or heard of that have been saved or recovered from being in the Trump cult? I’ve seen so many times that these wastes of humans will double down on their cult beliefs rather than accept that they have been taken advantage of. Hell, a significant number of them want to actively hunt down “liberals” and shoot them dead. You might be able to save the ones who don’t listen to his word as gospel, but that number is low. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago he's such a patriot. The biggest patriot. and he can get away with it in broad daylight! permalink fedilink source parent