▲ 56 ▼ China's energy sector emissions Plateau, start to fall (www.telegraph.co.uk) submitted 2 years ago by OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml [M] to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 14 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] qantravon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Oh no, who are we going to blame our refusal to lower emissions on now? /s permalink fedilink source hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml [S] 8 points 2 years ago* India probably, or just generically "the third world" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* But USA is also failing, Los Angeles was the city with most dense pollution. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/08/23/the-ten-most-polluted-cities-on-earth/ "Los Angeles is the most toxic city in America, the tenth in the world, with the 7th highest PM10 air pollution levels at 57 PM10, and a light pollution score of 10,900 μcd/m2. Chicago and New York ranked in 21st and 26th place, respectively." And I think things went worse in 2023. Ok, I found this: https://www.iqair.com/world-air-quality-ranking Seem China still on all top. permalink fedilink source parent [–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Who is "we" exactly? Most developed countries have reduced their emissions so much that they've been producing less CO2 per Capita than China for a very long time (like, a decade for the whole of the EU if I remember correctly). https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita-vs-gdppc?zoomToSelection=true&endpointsOnly=1&time=earliest..latest&country=CYP~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~ITA~NLD~POL~PRT~SVK~ESP~SWE~GBR~CHN~JPN~USA And I see you coming, no, it's not because China exports lots of stuff for the rest of the world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=CHN~OWID_EU27 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qantravon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn't make any effort to reduce emissions because "China is worse". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, screw them. Let's also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml [S] 8 points 2 years ago* India probably, or just generically "the third world" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aradia@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* But USA is also failing, Los Angeles was the city with most dense pollution. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2018/08/23/the-ten-most-polluted-cities-on-earth/ "Los Angeles is the most toxic city in America, the tenth in the world, with the 7th highest PM10 air pollution levels at 57 PM10, and a light pollution score of 10,900 μcd/m2. Chicago and New York ranked in 21st and 26th place, respectively." And I think things went worse in 2023. Ok, I found this: https://www.iqair.com/world-air-quality-ranking Seem China still on all top. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Who is "we" exactly? Most developed countries have reduced their emissions so much that they've been producing less CO2 per Capita than China for a very long time (like, a decade for the whole of the EU if I remember correctly). https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita-vs-gdppc?zoomToSelection=true&endpointsOnly=1&time=earliest..latest&country=CYP~DNK~FIN~FRA~DEU~ITA~NLD~POL~PRT~SVK~ESP~SWE~GBR~CHN~JPN~USA And I see you coming, no, it's not because China exports lots of stuff for the rest of the world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/production-vs-consumption-co2-emissions?country=CHN~OWID_EU27 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qantravon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn't make any effort to reduce emissions because "China is worse". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, screw them. Let's also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qantravon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn't make any effort to reduce emissions because "China is worse". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, screw them. Let's also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] u_tamtam@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago Yeah, screw them. Let's also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad. permalink fedilink source parent