▲ 135 ▼ Did you guys knew that? (lemmygrad.ml) submitted 2 years ago by Fissionami@lemmygrad.ml to c/palestine@lemmygrad.ml 28 comments fedilink hide all child comments Rain water is forbidden for the Palestinians as it is an Israeli property. Tf
[+] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (4 children) Talk to officials in the state of OREGON who have the exact same statutes on the books and enforce them. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you trying to imply that people in Oregon have it worse than Palestinians? I don't see the point in bringing this up here as if it's at all comparable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) i think the point is that its a level of insanity. Imagine 100 years ago people being told they can't collect water that comes from the sky. They'd lose their damn minds at the audacity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago Hoarding of common resource is the more mild crimes; there is the thief of property and land from Indigenous groups in Western European diaspora, Latin America, and other countries to a lesser extent under the excuse that Indigenous groups lack "proper" documentation to prove their ownership. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Statement of fact. You can reach your own implications I suppose? It’s not so much about the people as it is the legislation— which is not unique to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Soul_Greatsword@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago I don't know a lot about conditions in Oregon. I know that a rainwater ban in my area would be insulting but not really an inconvenience for many. The same sort of legislation for Palestinians is a different story. Their water can be cut off at any time and their infrastructure is at risk of destruction. Rainwater shouldn't be controlled by any state, but for most of us it would be an inconvenience. For people in Gaza it puts lives at risk. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's unique to Israel because Israel is telling a Palestinian village they cannot collect rainwater. It's not the Palestinian authorities prohibiting Palestinian civilians from doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago I know it's a statement of fact. We are asking why you felt the need to bring that up in this specific thread. Intent matters in instances like this and your intentions are pretty suspect here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This in itself is actually pretty normal - banning rainwater collection is mainly to stop people from collecting so much rainwater that they cause environmental issues. At least that'swhy it's banned in many places in the US. If it's really banned in Gaza "because rain is the property of the Israel" then that's absolutely wild, though. This may be the least oppressive and weird law the Israelis have restricting the rights of Palestinians, at least until they deliberately destroyed civilian water infrastructure. But then, I don't think enforcing rainwater collection bans is exactly at the top of the Israeli military's checklist right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that the reason why imprisoned Indigenous First Nation people in the Federal Reserves of Western European diaspora need to drink poisoned water until they forfeit their property ownership and right for reparations from the 150 years of child enslavement, illegal human child experimentation, savage indoctrination, mass murder which is disguised as "cultural genocide", inheritance thief, and mismanagement of First Nation people's funding in the Indian Residential fake schools? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* Probably not, no. It's a type of rarely-enforced law that relates to water conservation and (primarily) preventing large scale farmers from removing tens of thousands of tons of water from local ecosystems to water crops, thereby preventing natural recharging of aquifers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) i think there are multiple states and/or cities/municipalities that have banned collecting rainwater permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago In some places, if too many people collect rain water, then that can damage the water table because not enough will get to the ground. Of course I'm sure that there are also many places that ban it for no good reason. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago The officials in the state of Oregon, are the "rightful" governing body of the state of Oregon and at least ostensibly representative of the people they govern over, though. And banning rainwater collection for a random assortment of preppers, off-the-grid enthusiasts and others who certainly have access to abundant and relatively safe drinking water, is infinitely different from banning it for a people for whom it is likely a matter of life and death. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShiningWing@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Are you trying to imply that people in Oregon have it worse than Palestinians? I don't see the point in bringing this up here as if it's at all comparable permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) i think the point is that its a level of insanity. Imagine 100 years ago people being told they can't collect water that comes from the sky. They'd lose their damn minds at the audacity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago Hoarding of common resource is the more mild crimes; there is the thief of property and land from Indigenous groups in Western European diaspora, Latin America, and other countries to a lesser extent under the excuse that Indigenous groups lack "proper" documentation to prove their ownership. permalink fedilink source parent [+] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Statement of fact. You can reach your own implications I suppose? It’s not so much about the people as it is the legislation— which is not unique to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Soul_Greatsword@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago I don't know a lot about conditions in Oregon. I know that a rainwater ban in my area would be insulting but not really an inconvenience for many. The same sort of legislation for Palestinians is a different story. Their water can be cut off at any time and their infrastructure is at risk of destruction. Rainwater shouldn't be controlled by any state, but for most of us it would be an inconvenience. For people in Gaza it puts lives at risk. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's unique to Israel because Israel is telling a Palestinian village they cannot collect rainwater. It's not the Palestinian authorities prohibiting Palestinian civilians from doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago I know it's a statement of fact. We are asking why you felt the need to bring that up in this specific thread. Intent matters in instances like this and your intentions are pretty suspect here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) i think the point is that its a level of insanity. Imagine 100 years ago people being told they can't collect water that comes from the sky. They'd lose their damn minds at the audacity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago Hoarding of common resource is the more mild crimes; there is the thief of property and land from Indigenous groups in Western European diaspora, Latin America, and other countries to a lesser extent under the excuse that Indigenous groups lack "proper" documentation to prove their ownership. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago Hoarding of common resource is the more mild crimes; there is the thief of property and land from Indigenous groups in Western European diaspora, Latin America, and other countries to a lesser extent under the excuse that Indigenous groups lack "proper" documentation to prove their ownership. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Statement of fact. You can reach your own implications I suppose? It’s not so much about the people as it is the legislation— which is not unique to Israel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Soul_Greatsword@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago I don't know a lot about conditions in Oregon. I know that a rainwater ban in my area would be insulting but not really an inconvenience for many. The same sort of legislation for Palestinians is a different story. Their water can be cut off at any time and their infrastructure is at risk of destruction. Rainwater shouldn't be controlled by any state, but for most of us it would be an inconvenience. For people in Gaza it puts lives at risk. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's unique to Israel because Israel is telling a Palestinian village they cannot collect rainwater. It's not the Palestinian authorities prohibiting Palestinian civilians from doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago I know it's a statement of fact. We are asking why you felt the need to bring that up in this specific thread. Intent matters in instances like this and your intentions are pretty suspect here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Soul_Greatsword@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago I don't know a lot about conditions in Oregon. I know that a rainwater ban in my area would be insulting but not really an inconvenience for many. The same sort of legislation for Palestinians is a different story. Their water can be cut off at any time and their infrastructure is at risk of destruction. Rainwater shouldn't be controlled by any state, but for most of us it would be an inconvenience. For people in Gaza it puts lives at risk. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's unique to Israel because Israel is telling a Palestinian village they cannot collect rainwater. It's not the Palestinian authorities prohibiting Palestinian civilians from doing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago it's not just one village. they apparently destroy rainwater collecting infrastructure, routinely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago I know it's a statement of fact. We are asking why you felt the need to bring that up in this specific thread. Intent matters in instances like this and your intentions are pretty suspect here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This in itself is actually pretty normal - banning rainwater collection is mainly to stop people from collecting so much rainwater that they cause environmental issues. At least that'swhy it's banned in many places in the US. If it's really banned in Gaza "because rain is the property of the Israel" then that's absolutely wild, though. This may be the least oppressive and weird law the Israelis have restricting the rights of Palestinians, at least until they deliberately destroyed civilian water infrastructure. But then, I don't think enforcing rainwater collection bans is exactly at the top of the Israeli military's checklist right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that the reason why imprisoned Indigenous First Nation people in the Federal Reserves of Western European diaspora need to drink poisoned water until they forfeit their property ownership and right for reparations from the 150 years of child enslavement, illegal human child experimentation, savage indoctrination, mass murder which is disguised as "cultural genocide", inheritance thief, and mismanagement of First Nation people's funding in the Indian Residential fake schools? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* Probably not, no. It's a type of rarely-enforced law that relates to water conservation and (primarily) preventing large scale farmers from removing tens of thousands of tons of water from local ecosystems to water crops, thereby preventing natural recharging of aquifers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is that the reason why imprisoned Indigenous First Nation people in the Federal Reserves of Western European diaspora need to drink poisoned water until they forfeit their property ownership and right for reparations from the 150 years of child enslavement, illegal human child experimentation, savage indoctrination, mass murder which is disguised as "cultural genocide", inheritance thief, and mismanagement of First Nation people's funding in the Indian Residential fake schools? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* Probably not, no. It's a type of rarely-enforced law that relates to water conservation and (primarily) preventing large scale farmers from removing tens of thousands of tons of water from local ecosystems to water crops, thereby preventing natural recharging of aquifers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* Probably not, no. It's a type of rarely-enforced law that relates to water conservation and (primarily) preventing large scale farmers from removing tens of thousands of tons of water from local ecosystems to water crops, thereby preventing natural recharging of aquifers, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) i think there are multiple states and/or cities/municipalities that have banned collecting rainwater permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago In some places, if too many people collect rain water, then that can damage the water table because not enough will get to the ground. Of course I'm sure that there are also many places that ban it for no good reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago In some places, if too many people collect rain water, then that can damage the water table because not enough will get to the ground. Of course I'm sure that there are also many places that ban it for no good reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SadArtemis@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago The officials in the state of Oregon, are the "rightful" governing body of the state of Oregon and at least ostensibly representative of the people they govern over, though. And banning rainwater collection for a random assortment of preppers, off-the-grid enthusiasts and others who certainly have access to abundant and relatively safe drinking water, is infinitely different from banning it for a people for whom it is likely a matter of life and death. permalink fedilink source parent
