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if your opinion about israel is anything other than "death to israel, 1000 october 7s on the settlers until palestine is free from the river to the sea", fuck you (hexbear.net)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

idk why I don't hear anybody saying this but "from the river to the sea" is compatible with a one state solution of reintegration a la South Africa. Yes there will be internal violence. Yes the settlers will run and hide in gated communities within gated communities. Yes it will take over 100 years to become something resembling a normal country.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You’re cute for thinking that the solution for Israel will be as mild as it was for South Africa. The settlers will be removed and that won’t be pretty, they cannot exist peacefully with the Palestinians they treated as subhuman for more than 80 fucking years, it’s worse than South Africa, Apartheid pales in comparison to what’s happening in Palestine, Palestine is the equivalent of an open air concentration camp. And after that the Americans are next on the chopping block in terms of decolonial struggle and they will probably get nuked if I’m making predictions here. The future is going to be violent, as communists we can only assume world war three is inevitable and we should take individual action to insulate ourselves from the literal fallout. Comrades, I have a bunker full of beans, if you ask nicely, you can have them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

it’s worse than South Africa, Apartheid pales in comparison to what’s happening in Palestine, Palestine is the equivalent of an open air concentration camp

Fully agree this is far more extreme than South Africa, plus South Africa was <15% white, while a one state Palestine would be around 50% Jewish (and far more Palestinians than Israelis are under 18). Imo, the ideal coexistence would be administered by an eastern/global southern power, but however it's brought about, you'd need to abolish the current fascist "law of return" and give the Palestinian diaspora (over 6 million people, mostly in Jordan and Syria) right of return, reparations, etc.

Obviously deport all first generation settlers (>20% of Israel's current population) back to America and Europe, but it gets more complicated for a lot of people born there, and wouldn't really solve much imo. For one, roughly half or more of Israeli Jews are Arab Jews/Mizrahi (which would surprise some people seeing how white their government is). This is largely because, 1) intermarriage between Ashkenazis and Mizrahis has become common (if one of your parents are Ashkenazi and another Mizrahi, you're just considered Mizrahi), and 2) immigration, coercion, and kidnapping of Arab Jews from other countries was a big thing.

Mizrahis are indigenous to the Middle East, but they've essentially had their culture stolen and been forcibly assimilated. So "deporting all settlers" wouldn't solve much and would be pretty complicated to define. While Mizrahis aren't settlers, they've been indoctrinated their entire lives in the same way Ashkenazi Israelis are, and even attempt to prove themselves to the settlers by being even more fascist in a lot of cases. So unfortunately, any resistance and violence from settlers would be equally if not more likely from indigenous Mizrahis either way.

As sick and fascist as the Zionist entity is, I don't think South Africa style reintegration is a pipe dream. You have a lot of examples in history of this, look at reconciliation after the Rwandan genocide for one.