▲ 2419 ▼ Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act (www.windowscentral.com) submitted 2 years ago by morrowind@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.world 465 comments fedilink hide all child comments First RCS now this, today has been wild
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 49 points 2 years ago (32 children) Once steam covers 90% of games windows becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source hideshow 32 child comments replies: [–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (13 children) So what you’re saying is, 2024 will be the year of Linux on the desktop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* I know that phrase is the most beaten dead horse around at this point but the year of the Linux desktop is going to be different depending on what your requirements are. If you just need to browse the web, it's been there for over a decade. Same for most dev work. For gaming, it's already there for most titles. Pretty much everything I try works now unless it has anticheat. It's been in a pretty good state for 2 or 3 years now at least. For media creation and specialized software, it's not there yet. The big stuff like adobe will probably never get ported and the free alternatives vary wildly in quality. Blender is awesome. GIMP is not. There's also issues like lacking color management and iffy HDR support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) I do wonder about that, Gen Z and Alpha are less tech savvy than millennials, so there's non zero odds that it doesn't work out because Linux isn't easily accessible in the tablet/phone space yet. And no android doesn't count permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Mobile Linux is a thing, though I think it would take governments mandating unlocked/user-unlockable bootloaders to gain literally Any market share. It would also probably take a compatibility layer for running Android apps similar to Wine in desktop Linux, but Android already runs a Linux kernel, so projects like Waydroid are most of the way there already by just running Android inside a container. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) They are also less wealthy than X and millennial were at first computer purchase age. GNU/Linux is cheap permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent [–] HW07@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) I think we need rock-solid Wayland before we can expect TYLD. So I'm feeling 2026 minimum, then add a couple for some padding; so 2028 realistically. Think of how far we've come in 5 years, then imagine 5 years more. If Nvidia's consumer GPU market share dropped a bit too, that'd help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Why do you think that Wayland is necessary for adoption? In my opinion it is the missing hardware drivers, compatability issues and "getting your hands dirty" while constantly tweaking stuff. Yeah it got better over the years, but most people want things to just work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HW07@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don't know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the "just works" experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago But which distro though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Matombo@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago yes he did and if it doesn't happen we can shame him for all eternety, but i'm right with you there buddy: 2024 lets gooooooo! permalink fedilink source parent [–] sederx@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago it already is irrelevant for many people permalink fedilink source parent [–] Giooschi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) As long as many important games fall into that 10% many gamers won't consider Linux. Not to mention Adobe/Office/CAD suites that will prevent others from switching. And finally most pcs are sold with windows preinstalled and the vast majority of people don't even know that other OS even exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Also a lot of high end medical equipment. Some stuff will only work/communicate with Windows XP, even today, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (14 children) For gamers-only maybe lmao E: and people willing to spend several hours a month wondering why their OS broke again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (11 children) If you don't tinker like the usual Linux user your os won't break more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (9 children) As I said, not more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Hmm. My partner's Linux machine is perfectly stable and has been for a decade. I administer it for them, but that's just running updates and distribution upgrades every now and then My server takes more effort, as distribution upgrades sometimes break stuff, for example the mailing list manager I have used for a long time became deprecated and was disabled on the recent LTS upgrade My laptop running Ubuntu from the factory is perfectly fine, I'll probably make it less stable by moving it to Debian permalink fedilink source parent [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago If you stick to Ubuntu you usually don't have that problem IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (13 children) So what you’re saying is, 2024 will be the year of Linux on the desktop? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* I know that phrase is the most beaten dead horse around at this point but the year of the Linux desktop is going to be different depending on what your requirements are. If you just need to browse the web, it's been there for over a decade. Same for most dev work. For gaming, it's already there for most titles. Pretty much everything I try works now unless it has anticheat. It's been in a pretty good state for 2 or 3 years now at least. For media creation and specialized software, it's not there yet. The big stuff like adobe will probably never get ported and the free alternatives vary wildly in quality. Blender is awesome. GIMP is not. There's also issues like lacking color management and iffy HDR support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) I do wonder about that, Gen Z and Alpha are less tech savvy than millennials, so there's non zero odds that it doesn't work out because Linux isn't easily accessible in the tablet/phone space yet. And no android doesn't count permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Mobile Linux is a thing, though I think it would take governments mandating unlocked/user-unlockable bootloaders to gain literally Any market share. It would also probably take a compatibility layer for running Android apps similar to Wine in desktop Linux, but Android already runs a Linux kernel, so projects like Waydroid are most of the way there already by just running Android inside a container. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) They are also less wealthy than X and millennial were at first computer purchase age. GNU/Linux is cheap permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent [–] HW07@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) I think we need rock-solid Wayland before we can expect TYLD. So I'm feeling 2026 minimum, then add a couple for some padding; so 2028 realistically. Think of how far we've come in 5 years, then imagine 5 years more. If Nvidia's consumer GPU market share dropped a bit too, that'd help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Why do you think that Wayland is necessary for adoption? In my opinion it is the missing hardware drivers, compatability issues and "getting your hands dirty" while constantly tweaking stuff. Yeah it got better over the years, but most people want things to just work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HW07@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don't know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the "just works" experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago But which distro though? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Matombo@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago yes he did and if it doesn't happen we can shame him for all eternety, but i'm right with you there buddy: 2024 lets gooooooo! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* I know that phrase is the most beaten dead horse around at this point but the year of the Linux desktop is going to be different depending on what your requirements are. If you just need to browse the web, it's been there for over a decade. Same for most dev work. For gaming, it's already there for most titles. Pretty much everything I try works now unless it has anticheat. It's been in a pretty good state for 2 or 3 years now at least. For media creation and specialized software, it's not there yet. The big stuff like adobe will probably never get ported and the free alternatives vary wildly in quality. Blender is awesome. GIMP is not. There's also issues like lacking color management and iffy HDR support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) I do wonder about that, Gen Z and Alpha are less tech savvy than millennials, so there's non zero odds that it doesn't work out because Linux isn't easily accessible in the tablet/phone space yet. And no android doesn't count permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Mobile Linux is a thing, though I think it would take governments mandating unlocked/user-unlockable bootloaders to gain literally Any market share. It would also probably take a compatibility layer for running Android apps similar to Wine in desktop Linux, but Android already runs a Linux kernel, so projects like Waydroid are most of the way there already by just running Android inside a container. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) They are also less wealthy than X and millennial were at first computer purchase age. GNU/Linux is cheap permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Mobile Linux is a thing, though I think it would take governments mandating unlocked/user-unlockable bootloaders to gain literally Any market share. It would also probably take a compatibility layer for running Android apps similar to Wine in desktop Linux, but Android already runs a Linux kernel, so projects like Waydroid are most of the way there already by just running Android inside a container. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) They are also less wealthy than X and millennial were at first computer purchase age. GNU/Linux is cheap permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The OS is but the hardware ya gotta install it on could be another story, especially with gaming distros becoming more and more common permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Sure for gaming you want a pretty expensive machine, but for a user who wants web and email a used low end laptop will perform great permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HW07@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (4 children) I think we need rock-solid Wayland before we can expect TYLD. So I'm feeling 2026 minimum, then add a couple for some padding; so 2028 realistically. Think of how far we've come in 5 years, then imagine 5 years more. If Nvidia's consumer GPU market share dropped a bit too, that'd help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Why do you think that Wayland is necessary for adoption? In my opinion it is the missing hardware drivers, compatability issues and "getting your hands dirty" while constantly tweaking stuff. Yeah it got better over the years, but most people want things to just work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HW07@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don't know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the "just works" experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostinger@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Why do you think that Wayland is necessary for adoption? In my opinion it is the missing hardware drivers, compatability issues and "getting your hands dirty" while constantly tweaking stuff. Yeah it got better over the years, but most people want things to just work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] HW07@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don't know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the "just works" experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HW07@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Wayland is necessary because Wayland will be necessary in the near future, if it was next year then that would put a lot of people who don't know about X.Org and Wayland through a major shift which could rock-the-boat a bit too much and cause them to go back to Windows for the "just works" experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Look, I just finally tried steam on Linux and the game booted up. I am absolutely amazed as I thought I'd never see that day. Also windows is somehow just getting worse and worse. It's like they just want an entire ad platform. They lost me at this point. I have 0 need for any ms products again and that's a great feeling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostinger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) but WHY is it necessary?? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago But which distro though? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Matombo@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago yes he did and if it doesn't happen we can shame him for all eternety, but i'm right with you there buddy: 2024 lets gooooooo! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sederx@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago it already is irrelevant for many people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Giooschi@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) As long as many important games fall into that 10% many gamers won't consider Linux. Not to mention Adobe/Office/CAD suites that will prevent others from switching. And finally most pcs are sold with windows preinstalled and the vast majority of people don't even know that other OS even exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Also a lot of high end medical equipment. Some stuff will only work/communicate with Windows XP, even today, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Also a lot of high end medical equipment. Some stuff will only work/communicate with Windows XP, even today, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baked_tea@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (14 children) For gamers-only maybe lmao E: and people willing to spend several hours a month wondering why their OS broke again permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (11 children) If you don't tinker like the usual Linux user your os won't break more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (9 children) As I said, not more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Hmm. My partner's Linux machine is perfectly stable and has been for a decade. I administer it for them, but that's just running updates and distribution upgrades every now and then My server takes more effort, as distribution upgrades sometimes break stuff, for example the mailing list manager I have used for a long time became deprecated and was disabled on the recent LTS upgrade My laptop running Ubuntu from the factory is perfectly fine, I'll probably make it less stable by moving it to Debian permalink fedilink source parent [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago If you stick to Ubuntu you usually don't have that problem IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johanno@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago (11 children) If you don't tinker like the usual Linux user your os won't break more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (9 children) As I said, not more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (9 children) As I said, not more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johanno@feddit.de -2 points 2 years ago (9 children) As I said, not more often than windows permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] kadu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sheeple@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yeah people often forget the sheer amount of quality checks and testing that windows updates go through. Sure it might do annoying things like changing your default browser but it never truly breaks. There's also the fact that Windows native antivirus is so good that installing antivirus software is actually a downgrade. On Linux meanwhile you gotta run third party antivirus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent [–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows updates break my clock... Idk about this claim that it doesn't break stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This comment is a prime example of a drowning man trying to pull up by the straw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I don't follow... And that's not an actual expression permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johanno@feddit.de -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) In my experience windows just breaks as often. Depending on hardware and software used. Yes it might be better for windows 11 I haven't run that yet. And windows 10 almost never broke either so it is maybe better now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) It literally almost never happens for windows yet Linux is generally most famous by this one thing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Johanno@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It should not happen if you use debian, Ubuntu or Mint stable. As long you don't do anything exotic it should not break, at not since 2018. And if it breaks remember you compare free software made by volunteers (and paid employees from companies) with much less money and they still manage to compete with the multi billion dollar company Microsoft. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] baked_tea@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* It was on Ubuntu Debian Is exactly what I'm trying to say.. this is why Linux will not be ever better unless it is an actual product that can have real money poured into it. Except they don't really "manage to compete". Unless you count 1vs99 as non-laughable competition. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to use something else but as of right now, nothing can really compare with stability and being "plug and play" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Hmm. My partner's Linux machine is perfectly stable and has been for a decade. I administer it for them, but that's just running updates and distribution upgrades every now and then My server takes more effort, as distribution upgrades sometimes break stuff, for example the mailing list manager I have used for a long time became deprecated and was disabled on the recent LTS upgrade My laptop running Ubuntu from the factory is perfectly fine, I'll probably make it less stable by moving it to Debian permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago If you stick to Ubuntu you usually don't have that problem IMHO. permalink fedilink source parent