starbreaker comments on Andrewism on left unity or the lack thereof

Andrewism on left unity or the lack thereof (www.youtube.com)

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (2 children)

Yeah, TikTok can fuck off, too; it's tankieware.

Seriously, though, my beef isn't with you. It's with people who would rather make a video than just write a damn blog post or article. If I had ever stuck around on Reddit for more than 30 days, I'd also be in r/menslib giving people shit for posting audio and video instead of plain text.

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[–] cacheson@kbin.social [S] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I definitely appreciate the raw efficiency of text, and prefer it most of the time. Video has its place too, though. Sometimes it's nice to just relax with something that has moving pictures to hold your attention.

While the Andrewism video doesn't fit into this category, I've been getting more into watching videos for technical topics lately. I was trying to learn about how perceptual image hashing works the other day, and needed to understand the discrete cosine transform. The wikipedia article wasn't going to cut it, but I managed to find this video on JPEG compression (which uses DCT), and it ended up being very helpful.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Video has its place too, though. Sometimes it's nice to just relax with something that has moving pictures to hold your attention.

That's what bootleg fansubbed anime is for. :)

While the Andrewism video doesn't fit into this category, I've been getting more into watching videos for technical topics lately. I was trying to learn about how perceptual image hashing works the other day, and needed to understand the discrete cosine transform.

And that's fine for you. I just don't have the patience to sit through a video or audio lecture. I can read faster than these people can talk, and it's not like you can grep a video for keywords.

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[–] cacheson@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

That's what bootleg fansubbed anime is for. :)

UwU

For me that's more of a social activity, though.

And that's fine for you. I just don't have the patience to sit through a video or audio lecture. I can read faster than these people can talk, and it's not like you can grep a video for keywords.

Oh yeah, I'm not trying to sell you on watching this one, just pointing out why some people do like video. The TL;DW is that leftists have never been unified, and never will be. We all have our differing goals and preferred means. Rather than trying to browbeat everyone into falling in line under a single unified ideology/party/platform/etc, we should just collaborate selectively on a per-project basis, and otherwise not worry about it.

Tankies are allergic to this notion, though.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

The TL;DW is that leftists have never been unified, and never will be. We all have our differing goals and preferred means. Rather than trying to browbeat everyone into falling in line under a single unified ideology/party/platform/etc, we should just collaborate selectively on a per-project basis, and otherwise not worry about it.

That sounds like Max Stirner's "union of egoists". Work with others when doing so helps gets you what you want.

Tankies are allergic to this notion, though.

Not just tankies. Try telling a social-justice type that the only identity you give a shit about is class identity. It's hilarious.

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[–] cacheson@kbin.social [S] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Not just tankies. Try telling a social-justice type that the only identity you give a shit about is class identity. It's hilarious.

I might be a social-justice type, then. Class reductionism is appealing in its simplicity, but I don't think it's very productive. Like, it's fine to focus on a particular thing that you care about, but being unsympathetic to the things that others struggle with isn't going to garner sympathy in return. I see the parallel that you're pointing out, but I don't think it's the same.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Like, it's fine to focus on a particular thing that you care about, but being unsympathetic to the things that others struggle with isn't going to garner sympathy in return.

I'm a man. I don't expect sympathy, and when I get it I suspect an ulterior motive on the part of the person offering it.

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[–] cacheson@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm a man.

Me too. As are most people that you'll currently encounter on lemmy.

I don't expect sympathy, and when I get it I suspect an ulterior motive on the part of the person offering it.

I meant more in the sense of "sympathy strike" rather than "sympathetic ear". It's useful to be able to collaborate with others on shared goals, both in pursuit of the anarchist cause and of one's personal interests. An attitude of "only class matters, shut up about feminism or queer liberation or whatever" is detrimental to said collaboration.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

An attitude of "only class matters, shut up about feminism or queer liberation or whatever" is detrimental to said collaboration.

True, but I'm not interested in collaborating with online "activists", especially if they jump into my mentions on an unrelated topic for a bit of sealioning. At that point they're fair game for trolling, and telling them that their concerns mean no more to me than mine do to them is both true, and a generally reliable tactic.

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[–] cacheson@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago

Fair enough.

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[–] Val@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Video is a fundamentally different form of media than text and so the goals it achieves are also different. Text might be more useful for getting ideas across because words can be reread but you cannot replicate tone in text and tone can be crucial to understanding the message.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Yes, thanks for telling me something I've known for years. I only care about tone when talking to actual human beings in person. When I want to learn something, I want it in plain text.

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[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

So does tone not enhance your learning experience in any way? Because for me some concepts are a lot easier to grasp when I have someone explain them to me. Also listening is a lot less effort and can be done passively while for me reading requires a lot more of a conscious effort.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

So does tone not enhance your learning experience in any way?

No. Tone is generally irrelevant, especially when I'm reading technical documentation. Having a manual page for a UNIX system function read to me isn't helpful. If it's read by a man, it'll bore me. If it's read by a woman, and she sounds attractive, I'll be thinking about disappointing her in bed instead of keeping my mind on the job.

Also listening is a lot less effort and can be done passively while for me reading requires a lot more of a conscious effort.

You might find that a point in favor of listening, but I find that conscious effort that reading entails improves retention. There's are reasons we have idioms like "in one ear, out the other", and I'm one of them. Besides, and as I mentioned before, audio and video are shit for reference. You can't grep audio and video and search by keywords. Audio and video generally don't come with indexes where keywords are connected to timestamps for easy access to relevant sections.

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[–] Val@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Yeah I understand and actually agree with the points you've raised. I just like using different mediums for different experiences and wanted to balance the conversation.

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[–] starbreaker@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago

Fair enough. And maybe I'm just old and autistic.

But because of the way I was thinking of further belaboring the point while I was pissing, I've got this image if my head of the works of Max Stirner and Emma Goldman hand-copied and illuminated by anarchist scribes after the end of the world (as we know it).

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