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Far-right hosts are blaming the GOP's big election losses on Taylor Swift (www.businessinsider.com)
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[–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

If this were the case why do they consistently vote against government support birth control, pregnancy support programs, maternity leave, and aid programs to mothers? Be a bit like vegans demanding tax breaks for the beef industry or doctors wanting cigarette machines in middle schools.

If I thought it was murder I would definitely be doing what I could to make murder happen less often. And I know this because when I was a theist I leaned towards it being more restrictive and still supported government programs.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If this were the case why do they consistently vote against government support birth control, pregnancy support programs, maternity leave, and aid programs to mothers?

    Again, it comes down to their belief systems, "be fruitful and multiply", etc., etc.

    If I thought it was murder I would definitely be doing what I could to make murder happen less often.

    I'm just repeating what I've heard from conservatives I spoke to directly as well as conservatives who spoke out loud on TV and other media.

    And I know this because when I was a theist I leaned towards it being more restrictive and still supported government programs.

    IMO I don't think they're really thinking about government programs when they're trying to protect unborn life (as they put it). From someone on the outside looking in, it seems more of an emotional decision that they're making, versus a logical one.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I have no problems with emotional decisions. I have a problem that they inconsistent. If you really really think that there should be more babies and abortion was murder you should also support massive infusions of government cash to protect those babies. Which they never do.

    I agree that you heard them say that but just because someone is talking doesn't mean they are being truthful. Again, I was on the other side of this issue and I remember what I believed. My parents had 5 kids, I have 11 cousins. I have always known that raising kids was difficult and the government should provide help.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree that you heard them say that but just because someone is talking doesn’t mean they are being truthful.

    Just a clarification, it was many people saying that over multiple decades in multiple instances on multiple media.

    I personally have multiple friends who are conservative, from different families.

    I point that out just to make the point that I don't think they all were being untruthful, and IMO I think they all (or vast majority of) were being truthful to their belief system.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are people telling the truth if there are a lot of them? Are people telling the truth if they say the same thing a decade apart in time? Or are people telling the truth about what they believe when they show a consistent resoned opinion that has all the basic objections to it understood?

    I know people who make solid arguments for and against gun control and they all have a well thought out set of reasons and can usually deal with standard objections. I don't see this at all with the forced birth crowd.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are people telling the truth if there are a lot of them?

    The odds are that some of them at least are.

    And my personal impressions after speaking to them over the decades on the issue is that most if not all of them are being truthful, to their belief system.

    Don't mean to be argumentative with you on this one, but I can't buy into your assertion of that they're all lying, that 0% of them are being truthful. It's not what I've seen.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree that you heard them say that but just because someone is talking doesn’t mean they are being truthful.

    That could be said about anyone at any time about anything. To me that's just hand waving away somebody else's opinion so you don't have to deal with it, and it's not valid.

    I can tell you I have some personal friends who are conservatives (as well those are liberal minded), and I've heard the same kind of comments from them as I described here, and I believe what they're saying. Would be strangely weird for all my conservative friends to be coordination lying on something that doesn't really require lying.

    You know, you could go and ask them yourself, instead of just assuming that they're lying and manipulating. Homo-sapiens are never that straightforward.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    If this were the case why do they consistently vote against government support birth control, pregnancy support programs, maternity leave, and aid programs to mothers?

    My guess would be because they don't want to spend money on other people, or at least other people that are not inside of "their" group.

    That and the inefficiency (in their minds) of government programs and how their hard-earned tax money is spent.

    Finally as far as maternity leave goes, they don't want to pay workers and not get work out of them, though I'm not sure that's a conservative only philosophy, or more like a Capitalism one.

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