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Ohio voters add abortion rights to state constitution (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

This tends to require pushing the Democrats left first, which unconditionally voting for them will not accomplish because their donors are not unconditionally supportive and those donors are furthermore not urging them to move left.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I think the two would happen simultaneously. When the largest voting bloc consistently votes for LGBTQ rights, when they vote for abortion rights, Dems and Republicans alike will have to follow suit or die on those hills.

    Keyword there is "consistently."

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Here's the problem: What do you mean "voting for" those things? Very little policy is done by referendum. What do you do when both Rs and Ds are rightists with different wording?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You look at their voting record and public statements, and vote for the one that is most likely to support legislation and policies that align with your values. That's what I mean by "voting for."

    I'm not saying this is something we'll have direct input into every time, like the Ohio abortion one that just happened, and I'm not saying it will happen even in this next year; we are going to have to vote for candidates who are least objectionable. It's going to take many cycles of voting locally and federally to correct this ship that is listing hard to the right.

    ETA: Besides Manchin and Sinema, who are going independent anyway, which examples of Dems are Republicans with a D in front of their name?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You look at their voting record and public statements, and vote for the one that is most likely to support legislation and policies that align with your values. That's what I mean by "voting for."

    So if it's essentially a certainty that they won't, what do you do in the general?

    ETA: Besides Manchin and Sinema, who are going independent anyway, which examples of Dems are Republicans with a D in front of their name?

    Are you forgetting about uncle Joe?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    So if it's essentially a certainty that they won't, what do you do in the general?

    You vote for the least objectionable. We don't always get everything we want. Welcome to life, brought to you by unrelenting determinism.

    Are you forgetting about uncle Joe?

    I already mentioned Joe Manchin, so do you mean Biden? Because he's been way more progressive than even many of his Congressional cohorts. Not that he's still not mostly center-right and a self-avowed Zionist, but I don't think it's fair to pretend he's a Republican in Democrat clothing.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    You vote for the least objectionable. We don't always get everything we want. Welcome to life, brought to you by unrelenting determinism.

    And immediately back to the Adult in the Room bullshit. If you support the Lesser Evil unconditionally, you can't change their position. They would be a fool to do anything but take your support for granted, so what the fuck should they care what you think or that you want them to move left? You talk like your perspective is mature, but you're being strung along with the most astonishing naiveté.

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