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It's an intellectually deficint argument. You know the gop called the vote and yet you want to act like this has anything to do with the democrats. The only reason you are pushing this "point" is to try to both sides this bullshit. You are doing nothing but attempting to push a narrative, a lazy one that no one is buying btw.
Wait, it's not like OP criticized Trump and I said "but Hillary".
The OP's argument was wrong. It was not Mat Gaetz' "vote". Dems did choose to oust McCarthy.
That's not "both side". I just corrected OP.
Edit: the context is that Rs votes split exactly as expected. Dems knew the expectation and chose to oust McCarthy. That's a fact.
Yea, dishonest argument. Peace out.
You're just shouting "dishonest". Can you tell me exactly which part of my text is dishonest? It feels as if you're in tribalism where you label any inconvenient fact as dishonesty and move on to protect yourself.
I did. And I'm done here. Good day.
This can NOT be serious. This argument is on the same level as "I didn't punch him, I was just swinging my arms wildly and they put their face in the path of my fist". Are you actually 5 years old, or just pretending?
@Tar_alcaran @bedrooms
Who has the majority in the House?
The Republicans.
End of story.
Not end of story. Rs against McCarthy didn't reach majority.
@bedrooms because... come on. You're so close...๐
If you don't explain, please understand that I'm not interested in what emoji you use.
@bedrooms @LaFinlandia @mawkishdave @Djtecha @Tar_alcaran only the Republicans had the power to keep McCarthy
They CHOSE not to exercise that power.
That had to happen first, before you factor in the Dems. Without that choice, the Dems would be irrelevant.
The Republicans MADE the Democrats relevant.
You're choosing not to see that
Majority rule made the Dems relevant. Since that's the entire structure of our democracy then maybe there's a bit more strategy to it than you're willing to observe.
@fattylumpkin just reread my last reply. You're blaming the bullet, not the trigger finger.
Analogy isn't working for me. I've turned it off and back on again. Still nothing. ๐
@fattylumpkin oh for fuck's sake ๐ let's just agree to disagree
::proffers small sherry::
Quaffs and opens the bourbon
As I wrote, Rs against McCarthy didn't reach majority.
So, would you please take back that insult? Should I explain further what you don't understand here?
Let me flip your argument: US conservatives always knew there would be roughly 212 democratic votes against anything they do.
Why would they, with 221 votes in their side, do something like this? If they didn't want this to happen, why would conservatives take this action?
Why do democrats have to clean up conservative messes? Why can't they be adults and act responsibly?
Can you explain to me why my comment equated to "I didnโt punch him, I was just swinging my arms wildly and they put their face in the path of my fist"?
I don't see how.
Conservatives started this by starting the vote, by having people like Gaetz in the party without doing anything about it. Conservatives are letting MAGA idiots into their party without issue. Conservatives then start a vote to get rid of someone democrats loathe, and they do exactly what's expected, enabled by a number of conservatives who could easily stop such a vote since they're the larger party.
Then conservatives completely fail to clean up the mess they created. And now you're saying "why would democrats allow us to remove our own speaker? Don't they know everyone gets hurts when we're allowed to do the things we do?"
I think you assume I'm pro-Republican. I'm actually not.
We can agree that Republicans are the cause of this problem.
I was just correcting OP's comment. I clarified that further in some of the comments here.
In the original comment, I even wrote that I'm not suggesting Ds are to be blamed.
~~I actually (mostly) agree with that. I know conservatives are bad. Can you finally explain to me why you equated my comment to "I didn't punch him..."?~~
Wait, I think I'm too tired now as it's late in the night here. I'll reply tomorrow if I find the motivation.
It is a fact.
Really wish Lemmyverse liberals here weren't exactly as pedantic and defensive as they are on every other social media site.
Well, thank god, I occasionally find someone with reading skills here.