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Biden would veto any Israel-only aid bill, White House says (thehill.com)
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[+] -43 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I have to disagree with that, they had someone that was working with them and they threw it away. If the funding for Ukraine doesn't pass or the gov shuts down I see it as much as the Dems fault as the Repubs.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Everything McCarthy did, he did to please Republicans. Most Republicans privately don't want a shutdown, they know it's electoral poison for the GOP. Especially for Republicans in vulnerable districts, like Boebert (ever wonder why she voted to keep government open? Now you know).

    Likewise, apart from a few loudmouths Republicans generally want Ukraine aid - in fact McConnell insists on it - and that's the only reason McCarthy included it.

    McCarthy wasn't doing Democrats any favors. On the contrary, he backstabbed Democrats when he thought he could get away with it. No reason for Democrats to support someone like that.

    Johnson isn't deaf, Republicans will privately make the same demands to him that they did to McCarthy, he has to do what they want just like McCarthy did, and Democrats know it. Hopefully with less backstabbing this time.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    You have a valid point and these people just seem to miss it because they're too mired in partisanism to see it.

    I'm guessing the real explanation here is that the Dems think the Republicans having extremists in charge makes them look like fools and will ultimately be a political win even if it means dealing with this sort term political deadlock.

    What's better? Republicans you have to work with or a shot at a majority dem house next time?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    You have a valid point and these people just seem to miss it because they're too mired in partisanism to see it.

    Except they don't, because McCarthy didn't work with the dems. He quite literally went back on his word and backstabbed them days before he was ousted. Just because he was occasionally ever so slightly less of an obstructionist shitbag does not mean he was good.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    It's not a valid point because McCarthy didn't work with Democrats on virtually any issue. He repeatedly told Dems to go fuck themselves. Dude was a moron who had no clue how to play politics and somehow thought he could get away with pissing everyone on both sides off. Complete coward.

    It's incredible to me that people like you think your opinions are valid when you clearly don't know shit about the issue at hand. It's telling that you pin all the blame on democrats when moderate Republicans could have just as easily cured for a Dem speaker.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago

    I'm tired of the echo chamber the internet people throw to us. They can't even see a point if it has an ounce of anti-norm.

    Yeah, but if Ukraine end up unfunded that'd be too big a price.
    And I'm not even sure if Dems' naivety this time is working well for Dems.

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