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[+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (34 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 34 child comments replies: [–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (18 children) "My leftism has nothing to do with empathy or recognizing the suffering of others, it has only to do with benefiting those that I deem enough "like me" to be worth my consideration! Leftism is all about making things better for me and my kind! No, that's not reactionary! I'm not a chud! I'm a leftist, really!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (14 children) you really need to self crit and think about why you think beings only like you deserve safety and freedom from oppression. that really is so incompatible with everything we talk about here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago It has nothing to do with where I personally draw the line, asshole. It has everything to do with the scientifically established reality about who is capable of suffering. Rocks can't. Cows, pigs, etc. can. Just because your sphere of empathy is arbitrarily drawn to reinforce what's convenient for you doesn't mean that by necessity everyone else is so shallow, cruel, and morally inconsistent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] seeking_perhaps@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Animal agriculture is a disgustingly exploitive industry with awful environmental practices. Even if you only care about the human side of it you should want it to end. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (9 children) if your empathy and concern for suffering ends at humans, i don't think you're a proper leftist and you should take your belief in autonomy and freedom from oppression to it's logical conclusion (animal liberation) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (7 children) i thought hexbear didn't allow sectarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) it's not sectarian to advocate against suffering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) you are the one true leftist, further left than any AES, the soviet union, and everybody the CIA overthrew. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it be sectarianism if some people here supported slavery and other people pointed out that that makes them objectively garbage human beings? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bassword@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago In this scenario though, every major socialist movement in history, including major socialist states today, support slavery too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LenonLemonLenin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago That rule was always enforced arbitrarily. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) "I'm about as far left as they get but [Cognitohazard Take]" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Oh no it's a redditor, I'm owned and melting into a puddle! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (18 children) "My leftism has nothing to do with empathy or recognizing the suffering of others, it has only to do with benefiting those that I deem enough "like me" to be worth my consideration! Leftism is all about making things better for me and my kind! No, that's not reactionary! I'm not a chud! I'm a leftist, really!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (14 children) you really need to self crit and think about why you think beings only like you deserve safety and freedom from oppression. that really is so incompatible with everything we talk about here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago It has nothing to do with where I personally draw the line, asshole. It has everything to do with the scientifically established reality about who is capable of suffering. Rocks can't. Cows, pigs, etc. can. Just because your sphere of empathy is arbitrarily drawn to reinforce what's convenient for you doesn't mean that by necessity everyone else is so shallow, cruel, and morally inconsistent. permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (14 children) you really need to self crit and think about why you think beings only like you deserve safety and freedom from oppression. that really is so incompatible with everything we talk about here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago It has nothing to do with where I personally draw the line, asshole. It has everything to do with the scientifically established reality about who is capable of suffering. Rocks can't. Cows, pigs, etc. can. Just because your sphere of empathy is arbitrarily drawn to reinforce what's convenient for you doesn't mean that by necessity everyone else is so shallow, cruel, and morally inconsistent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artificialset@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (14 children) you really need to self crit and think about why you think beings only like you deserve safety and freedom from oppression. that really is so incompatible with everything we talk about here permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Oppression and subjugation of a living thing is fine so long as it can't speak to me and tell me it doesn't like it. Extra points if it's tasty!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (11 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1simpletailer@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is actually adequate scientific evidence that many animals have a much greater awareness and emotional intelligence then we often attribute to them, this includes most if not all of our domesticated animals. You could argue that the act of meat eating isn't in itself amoral, but the mass suffering facilitated by the conditions within the meat industry certainly is. Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago Not to mention the conditions it subjects its workers to. There is no ethical industrialized meat consumption. yes, the labor conditions are something that harms people, especially in slaughterhouses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (6 children) do you think non-human animals dont feel pain permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (5 children) idk, what does "feel" mean? the ones with nervous systems and appropriate receptors probably have a stimulus response. do they have an experiential self that sits in that stimulus and dwells on it like people? do they have opinions about pain? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hexagons@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) brb, chopping a cat's foot off without anesthetic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) and that has what, exactly, to do with eating the cat? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* Because no life should ever have been born and no life should ever be born after this according to you, all sorts of cruelty and suffering and unnecessary death and environmental devastation are okay if you get le epic bacon and big car go vroom vroom. This is a tenable leftist position. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago pure idealism Says the ideologically pure antinatalistic clown that declared that all life that has been should never have been and that everyone alive today should not exist because they didn't sign a consent waiver before being born and that no future life should be born either, all while trying to justify "fuck you got mine don't tell me what to doooooooooooo" takes on everything from speed limits to dae le epic bacon. 🤡 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Recognizing the capacity of animals to understand and suffer is basic science, not idealism. People with pets understand this and we know they should protect the health and well-being of the animals they keep. In fact, they often support laws requiring that pets are treated well enough. But the moment it's a designated food animal, this goes out the window and brains shut off. So anyways are you gonna eat dogs and cats or are you an "idealist"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SixSidedUrsine@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago It has nothing to do with where I personally draw the line, asshole. It has everything to do with the scientifically established reality about who is capable of suffering. Rocks can't. Cows, pigs, etc. can. Just because your sphere of empathy is arbitrarily drawn to reinforce what's convenient for you doesn't mean that by necessity everyone else is so shallow, cruel, and morally inconsistent. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] seeking_perhaps@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Animal agriculture is a disgustingly exploitive industry with awful environmental practices. Even if you only care about the human side of it you should want it to end. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] artificialset@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (9 children) if your empathy and concern for suffering ends at humans, i don't think you're a proper leftist and you should take your belief in autonomy and freedom from oppression to it's logical conclusion (animal liberation) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (7 children) i thought hexbear didn't allow sectarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) it's not sectarian to advocate against suffering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) you are the one true leftist, further left than any AES, the soviet union, and everybody the CIA overthrew. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it be sectarianism if some people here supported slavery and other people pointed out that that makes them objectively garbage human beings? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bassword@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago In this scenario though, every major socialist movement in history, including major socialist states today, support slavery too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LenonLemonLenin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago That rule was always enforced arbitrarily. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago (7 children) i thought hexbear didn't allow sectarianism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] artificialset@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) it's not sectarian to advocate against suffering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) you are the one true leftist, further left than any AES, the soviet union, and everybody the CIA overthrew. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it be sectarianism if some people here supported slavery and other people pointed out that that makes them objectively garbage human beings? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bassword@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago In this scenario though, every major socialist movement in history, including major socialist states today, support slavery too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LenonLemonLenin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago That rule was always enforced arbitrarily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] artificialset@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) it's not sectarian to advocate against suffering permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) you are the one true leftist, further left than any AES, the soviet union, and everybody the CIA overthrew. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) you are the one true leftist, further left than any AES, the soviet union, and everybody the CIA overthrew. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago Liberals here made the same comparisons so that they could continue to be transphobic. This is a reactionary pattern. Go do self-crit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) Would it be sectarianism if some people here supported slavery and other people pointed out that that makes them objectively garbage human beings? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bassword@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago In this scenario though, every major socialist movement in history, including major socialist states today, support slavery too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bassword@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago In this scenario though, every major socialist movement in history, including major socialist states today, support slavery too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LenonLemonLenin@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago That rule was always enforced arbitrarily. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children) "I'm about as far left as they get but [Cognitohazard Take]" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Oh no it's a redditor, I'm owned and melting into a puddle! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Oh no it's a redditor, I'm owned and melting into a puddle! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MattsAlt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Oh no it's a redditor, I'm owned and melting into a puddle! permalink fedilink source parent