▲ 1775 ▼ France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone, spy on people (gazettengr.com) submitted 3 years ago by Rebelappliance@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 298 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) Because you have a certain phone, or certain skills, or certain equipment? What makes you able? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 17 points 3 years ago (2 children) No special skills or even a certain phone, although yes some equipment can sometimes be required. Honestly, though, almost anyone with some free time and will power will be able to root (Android)/Jailbreak (iOS) their phone and subsequently change the operating system it uses. A good starting place for me was the XDA forums which I'll link below, search for the section specific to your model phone and see what is available, software wise. XDA Forums permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) No special skill... I know lots of people that A. Have no idea what model phone they got and B. It would at the very least take 10 min to guide them to where they can find it. Saying "all the information needed is available at a forum" would in itself be a step too complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cannacheques@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah but the bar for that skill is gradually lowering, just ask the old timers, it used to be hard to tie knots, hell some young guys can only barely just tie their own laces lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lemmy_see@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago My SO can’t even tie their own shoes… absolutely embarrassing. And they are an educated person who is teaching students in university. I think some skills we take as trivial others just never bothered putting the time to master sue to a cost benefit analysis. There are just so many things in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 3 points 3 years ago True enough. And the persons I described are also the least likely to care about the issue described in the article. permalink fedilink source parent [–] catlover@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah but then suddenly play store treats your mobile as rooted, and important every day apps wont work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've not used play store for a number of years now, so I was unaware of this. I guess for those uninterested in getting your apps and updates from elsewhere, consider that this may cause issues with the play store, appreciate the heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Most importantly: the banking-apps won't work. And as a Dutchman, where creditcards are virtually non-existent, I need my banking-apps to pay my regular bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 17 points 3 years ago (2 children) No special skills or even a certain phone, although yes some equipment can sometimes be required. Honestly, though, almost anyone with some free time and will power will be able to root (Android)/Jailbreak (iOS) their phone and subsequently change the operating system it uses. A good starting place for me was the XDA forums which I'll link below, search for the section specific to your model phone and see what is available, software wise. XDA Forums permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) No special skill... I know lots of people that A. Have no idea what model phone they got and B. It would at the very least take 10 min to guide them to where they can find it. Saying "all the information needed is available at a forum" would in itself be a step too complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cannacheques@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah but the bar for that skill is gradually lowering, just ask the old timers, it used to be hard to tie knots, hell some young guys can only barely just tie their own laces lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lemmy_see@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago My SO can’t even tie their own shoes… absolutely embarrassing. And they are an educated person who is teaching students in university. I think some skills we take as trivial others just never bothered putting the time to master sue to a cost benefit analysis. There are just so many things in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 3 points 3 years ago True enough. And the persons I described are also the least likely to care about the issue described in the article. permalink fedilink source parent [–] catlover@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah but then suddenly play store treats your mobile as rooted, and important every day apps wont work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've not used play store for a number of years now, so I was unaware of this. I guess for those uninterested in getting your apps and updates from elsewhere, consider that this may cause issues with the play store, appreciate the heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Most importantly: the banking-apps won't work. And as a Dutchman, where creditcards are virtually non-existent, I need my banking-apps to pay my regular bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) No special skill... I know lots of people that A. Have no idea what model phone they got and B. It would at the very least take 10 min to guide them to where they can find it. Saying "all the information needed is available at a forum" would in itself be a step too complicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cannacheques@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah but the bar for that skill is gradually lowering, just ask the old timers, it used to be hard to tie knots, hell some young guys can only barely just tie their own laces lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lemmy_see@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago My SO can’t even tie their own shoes… absolutely embarrassing. And they are an educated person who is teaching students in university. I think some skills we take as trivial others just never bothered putting the time to master sue to a cost benefit analysis. There are just so many things in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 3 points 3 years ago True enough. And the persons I described are also the least likely to care about the issue described in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cannacheques@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (2 children) Yeah but the bar for that skill is gradually lowering, just ask the old timers, it used to be hard to tie knots, hell some young guys can only barely just tie their own laces lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lemmy_see@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago My SO can’t even tie their own shoes… absolutely embarrassing. And they are an educated person who is teaching students in university. I think some skills we take as trivial others just never bothered putting the time to master sue to a cost benefit analysis. There are just so many things in the world. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 3 points 3 years ago True enough. And the persons I described are also the least likely to care about the issue described in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lemmy_see@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago My SO can’t even tie their own shoes… absolutely embarrassing. And they are an educated person who is teaching students in university. I think some skills we take as trivial others just never bothered putting the time to master sue to a cost benefit analysis. There are just so many things in the world. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotYourSocialWorker@feddit.nu 3 points 3 years ago True enough. And the persons I described are also the least likely to care about the issue described in the article. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catlover@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) yeah but then suddenly play store treats your mobile as rooted, and important every day apps wont work permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've not used play store for a number of years now, so I was unaware of this. I guess for those uninterested in getting your apps and updates from elsewhere, consider that this may cause issues with the play store, appreciate the heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Most importantly: the banking-apps won't work. And as a Dutchman, where creditcards are virtually non-existent, I need my banking-apps to pay my regular bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 7 points 3 years ago (1 child) I've not used play store for a number of years now, so I was unaware of this. I guess for those uninterested in getting your apps and updates from elsewhere, consider that this may cause issues with the play store, appreciate the heads up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Most importantly: the banking-apps won't work. And as a Dutchman, where creditcards are virtually non-existent, I need my banking-apps to pay my regular bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_one_and_only@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (4 children) Most importantly: the banking-apps won't work. And as a Dutchman, where creditcards are virtually non-existent, I need my banking-apps to pay my regular bills. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] d3ceived@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago The are ways to make almost all banking apps work on a rooted, even de-googled, phone. See here: https://lemmy.world/post/683341 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago For what it's worth, this isn't the case, at least for me, using banking apps within the UK. I do need to keep the apps updated to maintain functionality, but with 3rd party stores offering auto updates it hasn't been an issue thus far. Not to say that your experience is the minority though, it's entirely plausible my experience is the exception. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use a nice rooted phone as your daily driver and keep a shitty burner to use on wifi for any such finicky apps. Keep it off so the camera/mic is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) The off button doesn't actually turn your phone off anymore permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rouxibeau@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago That's fine. A cheap burner with a removable battery works fine. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bommelding@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago It's funny how ABN AMRO works on my rooted phone but the Toyota app for my car flags rooted phones as unsafe. permalink fedilink source parent