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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 64 points 2 years ago (81 children) We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 81 child comments replies: [–] chaogomu@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (22 children) WW2, we only joined because Japan attacked. Otherwise, there were elements of the US population that were cheering for Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (13 children) We also nuked two cities, for reasons much less honorable or necessary than the one we are told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Don´t tell that to the average US American though, they really hate hearing this truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I’m super-fun at parties 😐 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago You'd think one would have been enough permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago The US has never opposed fascism - Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were colonialist rivals threatening US hegemony and influence and nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) People don't realize that the US used to see fascism as a sort of white utopia. It was really popular up until WW2 when they hard turned on it. Kind of like what happened with communism, actually. It was seen as a revolutionary form of democracy up until the cold war, now people only know it for all the propaganda that came out of the era. (most of which was flat out lies made up on the spot by actual nazis) It's a lot of the reason why the modern day liberal is so staunchly both-sides when it comes to anything geopolitics. permalink fedilink source parent [+] doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml [B] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Well, that and Japan was actively murdering massive amounts of people in China. It was a calculated strategy to stop supporting the Japanese genocide machine. The Rape of Nanjing made international news. That turned the average US voter against Japan, but the embargo (not a blockade) started after Japan invaded French Indochina (Vietnam) in 1940. The Embargo was just the US saying that no US owned oil would be sold to Japan. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* Prior to Pearl Harbour, the US funded the Japanese as the Japanese committed countless war crimes and genocide in China. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (53 children) In ww2 the Russians did most of he dirty work anyway. When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago Hollywood war reenactments are a psyop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (38 children) When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost. While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (37 children) By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive. Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese. In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments load more comments (37 replies) load more comments (13 replies) [+] uralsolo@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) @davel We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since. Only until 2006 which is when the UK finally managed to pay the US back the "lend lease" debt it racked up in WWII Wonder how long it will take for Ukraine to pay back theirs, they're on a Lend Lease from the US right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You & I are the only people who seem to know this. Everyone else is busy arguing whether we can “afford” to give Ukraine “free stuff”, when in reality none of it is free, and whatever few Ukrainians are left alive after this war will be paying onerous debt for generations. They’re already auctioning off many public assets to mostly foreign buyers at fire sale prices, up to and including seaports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago Yeah it's crazy. Ukraine is a fire sale and the debt will be on the US govt books as an asset. Makes me realise, a lot of things we read in history books that seem cut and dried, were probably not at all obvious to the people who lived at the time because their perception of facts was probably as skewed as our societies' perceptions are now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (22 children) WW2, we only joined because Japan attacked. Otherwise, there were elements of the US population that were cheering for Hitler. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (13 children) We also nuked two cities, for reasons much less honorable or necessary than the one we are told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Don´t tell that to the average US American though, they really hate hearing this truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I’m super-fun at parties 😐 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago You'd think one would have been enough permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago The US has never opposed fascism - Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were colonialist rivals threatening US hegemony and influence and nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) People don't realize that the US used to see fascism as a sort of white utopia. It was really popular up until WW2 when they hard turned on it. Kind of like what happened with communism, actually. It was seen as a revolutionary form of democracy up until the cold war, now people only know it for all the propaganda that came out of the era. (most of which was flat out lies made up on the spot by actual nazis) It's a lot of the reason why the modern day liberal is so staunchly both-sides when it comes to anything geopolitics. permalink fedilink source parent [+] doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml [B] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Well, that and Japan was actively murdering massive amounts of people in China. It was a calculated strategy to stop supporting the Japanese genocide machine. The Rape of Nanjing made international news. That turned the average US voter against Japan, but the embargo (not a blockade) started after Japan invaded French Indochina (Vietnam) in 1940. The Embargo was just the US saying that no US owned oil would be sold to Japan. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* Prior to Pearl Harbour, the US funded the Japanese as the Japanese committed countless war crimes and genocide in China. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 years ago (13 children) We also nuked two cities, for reasons much less honorable or necessary than the one we are told. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Don´t tell that to the average US American though, they really hate hearing this truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I’m super-fun at parties 😐 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago You'd think one would have been enough permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies)
[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Don´t tell that to the average US American though, they really hate hearing this truth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago I’m super-fun at parties 😐 permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago You'd think one would have been enough permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago The US has never opposed fascism - Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were colonialist rivals threatening US hegemony and influence and nothing more. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) People don't realize that the US used to see fascism as a sort of white utopia. It was really popular up until WW2 when they hard turned on it. Kind of like what happened with communism, actually. It was seen as a revolutionary form of democracy up until the cold war, now people only know it for all the propaganda that came out of the era. (most of which was flat out lies made up on the spot by actual nazis) It's a lot of the reason why the modern day liberal is so staunchly both-sides when it comes to anything geopolitics. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] doom_and_gloom@lemmy.ml [B] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Well, that and Japan was actively murdering massive amounts of people in China. It was a calculated strategy to stop supporting the Japanese genocide machine. The Rape of Nanjing made international news. That turned the average US voter against Japan, but the embargo (not a blockade) started after Japan invaded French Indochina (Vietnam) in 1940. The Embargo was just the US saying that no US owned oil would be sold to Japan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Well, that and Japan was actively murdering massive amounts of people in China. It was a calculated strategy to stop supporting the Japanese genocide machine. The Rape of Nanjing made international news. That turned the average US voter against Japan, but the embargo (not a blockade) started after Japan invaded French Indochina (Vietnam) in 1940. The Embargo was just the US saying that no US owned oil would be sold to Japan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* Prior to Pearl Harbour, the US funded the Japanese as the Japanese committed countless war crimes and genocide in China. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nacktmull@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (53 children) In ww2 the Russians did most of he dirty work anyway. When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago Hollywood war reenactments are a psyop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (38 children) When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost. While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (37 children) By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive. Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese. In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments load more comments (37 replies) load more comments (13 replies)
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago Hollywood war reenactments are a psyop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] masquenox@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (38 children) When the USA joined the war it was already clear the axis had lost. While I agree that that it was the Soviet and Chinese people that absorbed the greatest part of the Axis' powers warmaking ability (which western historians are apt to ignore), it's not true that the Axis had already lost the war by 1941. It's accurate to say that the US joined the war at a moment when the Axis forces had hopelessly overstretched themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (37 children) By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive. Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese. In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments load more comments (37 replies)
[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (37 children) By the winter of 1941, Barbarossa had failed. By the time the Western Front was opened in 1944, Army Group South had collapsed, Army Group North was failing, and Army Group Center was in the process of being encircled. Germany had lost, it was just a question of when. In the meantime, the entire North African campaign cost the Germans less resources than the Dnieper-Carpathian Offensive. Friendly reminder that prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was sponsoring Japan's war crimes in China. The US made up the bulk of Japan's iron, copper, oil, steel, and wheat supply... Essentials for industrializing and waging war. Even with this massive economic power backing them, Japan had been fought to a standstill by 1940. By 1944, the Nationalists were more concerned with containing the Communists than they were with containing the Japanese. In the case of both Germany and Japan, powerhouses at the peak of their power were ground down to a stalemate against a rapidly industrializing nation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments load more comments (37 replies)
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[–] livus@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) @davel We were that one time, and we’ve been milking it ever since. Only until 2006 which is when the UK finally managed to pay the US back the "lend lease" debt it racked up in WWII Wonder how long it will take for Ukraine to pay back theirs, they're on a Lend Lease from the US right now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You & I are the only people who seem to know this. Everyone else is busy arguing whether we can “afford” to give Ukraine “free stuff”, when in reality none of it is free, and whatever few Ukrainians are left alive after this war will be paying onerous debt for generations. They’re already auctioning off many public assets to mostly foreign buyers at fire sale prices, up to and including seaports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago Yeah it's crazy. Ukraine is a fire sale and the debt will be on the US govt books as an asset. Makes me realise, a lot of things we read in history books that seem cut and dried, were probably not at all obvious to the people who lived at the time because their perception of facts was probably as skewed as our societies' perceptions are now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) You & I are the only people who seem to know this. Everyone else is busy arguing whether we can “afford” to give Ukraine “free stuff”, when in reality none of it is free, and whatever few Ukrainians are left alive after this war will be paying onerous debt for generations. They’re already auctioning off many public assets to mostly foreign buyers at fire sale prices, up to and including seaports. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago Yeah it's crazy. Ukraine is a fire sale and the debt will be on the US govt books as an asset. Makes me realise, a lot of things we read in history books that seem cut and dried, were probably not at all obvious to the people who lived at the time because their perception of facts was probably as skewed as our societies' perceptions are now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago Yeah it's crazy. Ukraine is a fire sale and the debt will be on the US govt books as an asset. Makes me realise, a lot of things we read in history books that seem cut and dried, were probably not at all obvious to the people who lived at the time because their perception of facts was probably as skewed as our societies' perceptions are now. permalink fedilink source parent