▲ 399 ▼ Israeli air strike hits Gaza hospital sheltering thousands of war-displaced (www.aljazeera.com) submitted 2 years ago by stmcld@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml 134 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (4 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could. Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole. The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying. This is less complicated than you're making it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bombing a hospital doesn't make any sense. Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite actually celebrating, it could have been an accident. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) oh ok good the hospital hasn't been leveled only 500 people died there we're good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that "proved" this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes let's give the genocidal ethnostate the benefit of the doubt here permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could. Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole. The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying. This is less complicated than you're making it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bombing a hospital doesn't make any sense. Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite actually celebrating, it could have been an accident. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) oh ok good the hospital hasn't been leveled only 500 people died there we're good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bombing a hospital doesn't make any sense. Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite actually celebrating, it could have been an accident. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) oh ok good the hospital hasn't been leveled only 500 people died there we're good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) Bombing a hospital doesn't make any sense. Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (4 children) Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flan@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) Israel does seem to have a track record of bombing hospitals, though... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago (3 children) I don't doubt that. This is not me defending Israel. This is me trying to figure out what's actually happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] somename@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is you defending Israel though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I'm defending facts and reason. It has nothing to do with allegiance to either side despite what many seem to be suggesting here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago Facts and Reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] Flaps@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago lemm.ee Classic hand-wringing. Like saying "we don't know if the earth is flat or not" despite more than enough evidence to the contrary permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flan@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well, look, we're all just a bunch of assholes on the internet. We can pretend like we have the answers but we don't. What I can say with some certainty is that Israel has a track record of bombing hospitals and the hospital that was bombed in this case had already been bombed before by Israel. You can take from that what you will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children) I just don't feel like I need to have a strong opinion about this particular incident at the moment, with the limited information available. Even if it turns out that it, infact, was Hamas rocket, that still doesn't make Israel the good guys here. There's plenty to criticize them (aswell as Hamas/Palestine) for but this isn't about that. I'm a fucking idiot who barely can wrap their head around the Russia - Ukraine conflict. I don't even want to pretend to be some kind of an expert on the Israel - Palestine situation. I have my opinions but those are irrelevant, nuanced and loosely held. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) And yet you keep posting and posting and posting about it. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I keep replying to users like you. So far 100% of them are from Hexbear or Lemmygrad. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago So far lemm.ee liberals like you are insufferable Redditbrained douchebags. Curious. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) How's that working out for you my dude? Did internet leftists actually fire the missile? Do you expect to find an official statement by Hamas or the IDF posted here any time soon? What possible research are you doing by posting here? Fucking pointless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is a public forum and I'm just voicing my honest opinion. If that makes you angry or uncomfortable you can just block me and be done with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago well, this is an open forum and I am just asking you questions. Why didn't you answer them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes we're biased. And so are you, and literally everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) My stance on the situation briefly: State of Israel shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Zionists are religious extremists and I'm against them. Palestinians on the other hand had their land forcibly taken from them which I don't agree with, and they have every right to be pissed about it. Hamas on the other hand is religious extremst group aswell and they're indiscriminately murdering innocent civilians (as are the jewish extremists aswell) so I'm against them too. The only people I'm in favour here of are the millions of innocent civilians on the both sides who'd just want to be treated fairly and live peacefully. So I'm biased yeah, but it's a bit more nuanced than that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago* (1 child) How about the PFLP? Are they religious extremists too? And what indiscriminate slaughter? And what do you define as a civilian? If you are illegally occupying territory and are expelled by force, you are not a civilian you are an occupier, a settler, a colonizer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not familiar with that organization so I can't comment on that. I assume they're not unless proven otherwise. And what indiscriminate slaughter? Attacking a music festival and murdering 260 unarmed civilians for example. Even if I grant you that Israel is located on occupied land, that still doesn't make every Israeli an occupier because many of them were born there and had no say on the matter, and even if you count them as occupiers too I still don't think the optimal solution is to murder them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That rave was not even in Israel, it was in land occupied after the establishment of the borders in 1948. I am sorry but if you go into an occupied country and attend a rave outside the largest open air prison in the world under protection of one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world, and then get caught in the crossfire during a prison break I have zero sympathy for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm just curious. What's your solution to this conflict? You're now the dictator of the whole earth. What do you do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm a white dude from California it's not my place to even make that decision. I mean no offense but this is the most lib response ever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bezerker03@lemmy.bezzie.world 2 points 2 years ago No their response was very reasonable to someone with strong opinions and beliefs on the manner but then throwing their hand up and being like uhh I dunno what I would do just what they are doing is wrong. THAT is the most lib response ever lol. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trudge@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago He's obviously biased to a fault. You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago Is there any chance you're a bit biased here in your reasoning? Does a pig shit on it's own balls? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago Ah yes because a 1,000kg bomb that took over a thousand lives in one go "might not" level an entire building. And despite actually celebrating, it could have been an accident. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) oh ok good the hospital hasn't been leveled only 500 people died there we're good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (2 children) If the hospital had been leveled and 500 people died, social media would be flooded with pictures of that. Ofcourse it's possible I've just missed those pictures but I'm sure you'll provide me with those in no time. Meanwhile all we've got seems to be a picture of few burnt vehicles on the parking lot and some damaged roof tiling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago Lmao. The "I didn't see it so it didn't happen" defence. Take a time out and you can have a juice box 👶🧃 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago Yeah the "field of bodies" video is pretty easy to find even if you're not looking for it. I don't blame you for not wanting to see the shit, It's terrible. But don't come with some fake claim that only cars can be found. "Leveled" is a word used to mean "made rubble" sometimes and "made to be as useless and dangerous as rubble" others. This is probably the latter time, but I haven't seen videos showing the remains of the building honestly. I don't search for this shit tho permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FreakingSpy@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago Adding to the dogpile here: IDF and Israel Twitter profiles posted videos that "proved" this, then people quoted old tweets showing that video was from the last year permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yes let's give the genocidal ethnostate the benefit of the doubt here permalink fedilink source parent