▲ 1783 ▼ Vegan food: The west vs India (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by cyclohexane@lemmy.ml [M] to c/memes@lemmy.ml 441 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (10 children) They have made dairy using a bacteria recently, so animal free dairy may be a thing soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) If they can make animal-free cheddar and animal-free yogurt that tastes exactly like the real thing, sign me up. Right now, vegan alternatives are... not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've tried a few types of coconut-based yogurts that were tasty. I'm not a fan of almond milk, so didn't like those varieties as much. On the cheeses though, completely agree! I had one that was tolerable, but definitely falls in the "not good" category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Were the coconut-based yogurts sweet? Because I don't want sweet yogurt. I want yogurt I can put chives in and put on my falafel (for example). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, this is why I think we take the wrong approach considering things as animal free substitutes. That’s a high bar. Meanwhile I’m perfectly happy dipping my veggies in hummus instead of cheese dip. Not as a substitute but as a different choice that is good on its own merit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I can live without cheddar cheese. Maybe. But I need my yogurt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Morgoon@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago Brave Robot! I tried it recently, it was good! permalink fedilink source parent [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I saw a milk that claims to be just that on the shelves. Incredibly expensive and (from what I hear) nowhere near the same taste. The problem is that animals and plants do "what they do" with incredible efficiency. If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. A century of aircraft design and planes are not in the same league as birds regarding flight efficiency. If animal-free milk goes the path that animal-free meat is, they may well be reaching the upper bounds of efficiency already, nowhere near close enough to replace natural animal and dairy. Which is a bit of a shame (as a meat-eater). I think having outside competition that could truly stand on its own would help reduce the corruption of big ag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. Not necessarily true - evolution (and simulating evolution) is great at finding local maxima/minima, but not as great at moving out of those in the case where the local min/max is not the global min/max. So, for example, birds might not be the optimal way to do flight efficiency, but between birds and optimal flight efficiency if there's a region of worse flight efficiency of any real size (more than you could vault in a couple generations of lucky mutations) then evolution will never find it because the intermediate steps to get there will be selected against too heavily to jump the gap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I don't think I entirely disagree with you. I was generalizing the real phenomenon that we are unable to engineer competing mechanisms to those found in the wild. That said, "region of worse efficiency" tends to happen all the time. The accurate argument would be a "region of untenable inefficiency". A legless bird that evolved the ability to fly its entire life from hatching to death is an unlikely evolution. Not coincidentally, finding ways to keep something up in the air longer-term than birds do is something our engineering is capable of. permalink fedilink source parent [–] portside@monyet.cc 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man I haven't tried Basundi, is it available in Haryana by any chance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RenownedBalloonThief@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago https://holycowvegan.net/vegan-rabri-recipe/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (10 children) They have made dairy using a bacteria recently, so animal free dairy may be a thing soon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) If they can make animal-free cheddar and animal-free yogurt that tastes exactly like the real thing, sign me up. Right now, vegan alternatives are... not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've tried a few types of coconut-based yogurts that were tasty. I'm not a fan of almond milk, so didn't like those varieties as much. On the cheeses though, completely agree! I had one that was tolerable, but definitely falls in the "not good" category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Were the coconut-based yogurts sweet? Because I don't want sweet yogurt. I want yogurt I can put chives in and put on my falafel (for example). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, this is why I think we take the wrong approach considering things as animal free substitutes. That’s a high bar. Meanwhile I’m perfectly happy dipping my veggies in hummus instead of cheese dip. Not as a substitute but as a different choice that is good on its own merit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I can live without cheddar cheese. Maybe. But I need my yogurt. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Morgoon@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago Brave Robot! I tried it recently, it was good! permalink fedilink source parent [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I saw a milk that claims to be just that on the shelves. Incredibly expensive and (from what I hear) nowhere near the same taste. The problem is that animals and plants do "what they do" with incredible efficiency. If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. A century of aircraft design and planes are not in the same league as birds regarding flight efficiency. If animal-free milk goes the path that animal-free meat is, they may well be reaching the upper bounds of efficiency already, nowhere near close enough to replace natural animal and dairy. Which is a bit of a shame (as a meat-eater). I think having outside competition that could truly stand on its own would help reduce the corruption of big ag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. Not necessarily true - evolution (and simulating evolution) is great at finding local maxima/minima, but not as great at moving out of those in the case where the local min/max is not the global min/max. So, for example, birds might not be the optimal way to do flight efficiency, but between birds and optimal flight efficiency if there's a region of worse flight efficiency of any real size (more than you could vault in a couple generations of lucky mutations) then evolution will never find it because the intermediate steps to get there will be selected against too heavily to jump the gap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I don't think I entirely disagree with you. I was generalizing the real phenomenon that we are unable to engineer competing mechanisms to those found in the wild. That said, "region of worse efficiency" tends to happen all the time. The accurate argument would be a "region of untenable inefficiency". A legless bird that evolved the ability to fly its entire life from hatching to death is an unlikely evolution. Not coincidentally, finding ways to keep something up in the air longer-term than birds do is something our engineering is capable of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (5 children) If they can make animal-free cheddar and animal-free yogurt that tastes exactly like the real thing, sign me up. Right now, vegan alternatives are... not good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've tried a few types of coconut-based yogurts that were tasty. I'm not a fan of almond milk, so didn't like those varieties as much. On the cheeses though, completely agree! I had one that was tolerable, but definitely falls in the "not good" category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Were the coconut-based yogurts sweet? Because I don't want sweet yogurt. I want yogurt I can put chives in and put on my falafel (for example). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, this is why I think we take the wrong approach considering things as animal free substitutes. That’s a high bar. Meanwhile I’m perfectly happy dipping my veggies in hummus instead of cheese dip. Not as a substitute but as a different choice that is good on its own merit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I can live without cheddar cheese. Maybe. But I need my yogurt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I've tried a few types of coconut-based yogurts that were tasty. I'm not a fan of almond milk, so didn't like those varieties as much. On the cheeses though, completely agree! I had one that was tolerable, but definitely falls in the "not good" category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Were the coconut-based yogurts sweet? Because I don't want sweet yogurt. I want yogurt I can put chives in and put on my falafel (for example). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Were the coconut-based yogurts sweet? Because I don't want sweet yogurt. I want yogurt I can put chives in and put on my falafel (for example). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Twista713@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The vanilla flavored one was a bit sweet, but that's how I generally prefer it. I usually am throwing berries and granola in there too so admittedly can't give you an unbiased recommendation! I think there are plain flavored ones either almond or coconut milk based, which might be more of what you're looking for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, this is why I think we take the wrong approach considering things as animal free substitutes. That’s a high bar. Meanwhile I’m perfectly happy dipping my veggies in hummus instead of cheese dip. Not as a substitute but as a different choice that is good on its own merit permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I can live without cheddar cheese. Maybe. But I need my yogurt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I can live without cheddar cheese. Maybe. But I need my yogurt. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Morgoon@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago Brave Robot! I tried it recently, it was good! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I saw a milk that claims to be just that on the shelves. Incredibly expensive and (from what I hear) nowhere near the same taste. The problem is that animals and plants do "what they do" with incredible efficiency. If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. A century of aircraft design and planes are not in the same league as birds regarding flight efficiency. If animal-free milk goes the path that animal-free meat is, they may well be reaching the upper bounds of efficiency already, nowhere near close enough to replace natural animal and dairy. Which is a bit of a shame (as a meat-eater). I think having outside competition that could truly stand on its own would help reduce the corruption of big ag. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. Not necessarily true - evolution (and simulating evolution) is great at finding local maxima/minima, but not as great at moving out of those in the case where the local min/max is not the global min/max. So, for example, birds might not be the optimal way to do flight efficiency, but between birds and optimal flight efficiency if there's a region of worse flight efficiency of any real size (more than you could vault in a couple generations of lucky mutations) then evolution will never find it because the intermediate steps to get there will be selected against too heavily to jump the gap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I don't think I entirely disagree with you. I was generalizing the real phenomenon that we are unable to engineer competing mechanisms to those found in the wild. That said, "region of worse efficiency" tends to happen all the time. The accurate argument would be a "region of untenable inefficiency". A legless bird that evolved the ability to fly its entire life from hatching to death is an unlikely evolution. Not coincidentally, finding ways to keep something up in the air longer-term than birds do is something our engineering is capable of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you want to do exactly what some evolved thing does best, you probably cannot come close to matching it with technology. Not necessarily true - evolution (and simulating evolution) is great at finding local maxima/minima, but not as great at moving out of those in the case where the local min/max is not the global min/max. So, for example, birds might not be the optimal way to do flight efficiency, but between birds and optimal flight efficiency if there's a region of worse flight efficiency of any real size (more than you could vault in a couple generations of lucky mutations) then evolution will never find it because the intermediate steps to get there will be selected against too heavily to jump the gap. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I don't think I entirely disagree with you. I was generalizing the real phenomenon that we are unable to engineer competing mechanisms to those found in the wild. That said, "region of worse efficiency" tends to happen all the time. The accurate argument would be a "region of untenable inefficiency". A legless bird that evolved the ability to fly its entire life from hatching to death is an unlikely evolution. Not coincidentally, finding ways to keep something up in the air longer-term than birds do is something our engineering is capable of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I don't think I entirely disagree with you. I was generalizing the real phenomenon that we are unable to engineer competing mechanisms to those found in the wild. That said, "region of worse efficiency" tends to happen all the time. The accurate argument would be a "region of untenable inefficiency". A legless bird that evolved the ability to fly its entire life from hatching to death is an unlikely evolution. Not coincidentally, finding ways to keep something up in the air longer-term than birds do is something our engineering is capable of. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] portside@monyet.cc 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Man I haven't tried Basundi, is it available in Haryana by any chance? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] TheBat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RenownedBalloonThief@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago https://holycowvegan.net/vegan-rabri-recipe/ permalink fedilink source parent