Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn't punishment. Do you realise most countries aren't permitted to travel somewhere?

Can we agree that “not letting people with Russian passport travel in NATO countries”

And “Slaughtering civilians en masse in retaliation to a terrorist attack”

Are just a wee bit different as far “collective punishment” goes?

Hmmm let's stay on topic. I didn't say I support collective punishment of Palestine or anyone. I said missiles aren't the same thing as border restrictions, because they clearly aren't. Do you actually disagree?

I don't think I missed the point though.

I'm ststating that Russians don't seem to be directly afected aside from having their favorite EU vacation destinations accessible via France or Turkey instead directly from Moscow. It means that so called collective punishment was either ineffective or so mild, that it had almost no effect on dayly lives of citizens.

You compare this with bombing city, being cut out of water, food, medicine and energy.

If anything, Russians collectively punished Ukrainians by shelling,detroying their energy and tradic infrastructure to make winter as bad as possible for UA.