▲ 542 ▼ Chinese censors block ‘Tiananmen’ image of athletes hugging (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/world@lemmy.world 87 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's like saying you can murder people but there's consequences - let that sink in bro permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nah. That's a strawman argument there. Killing someone is not equivalent to saying something offensive or burning books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've missed the point - I am pointing out that being forced to hide who you are at the risk of losing your job doesn't actually give people a choice and saying that they do is disingenuous. Criminalising someone's identity doesn't give people freedom to be who they are which the supposed freedom you say exists. It's just leaning into semantics while forgetting there's real life people at the end of it being told to hide their sexuality or gender because some chuds are up in their feelings because not everyone is straight or identifies with their gender at birth. Sounds free to me /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) We're comparing China and the USA. That's the topic. There's a reason Florida currently has thousands of vacancies in teaching positions and is one of the bottom 10 states in terms of education. Teachers are still free to do what they want and express their opinions (i.e., staying and risking prison, leaving the state, not working as a teacher, being politically active, teaching outside the classroom). Book burning and expressing your opinion are protected rights. It's absolutely embarrassing that the law exists, but the law will be challenged in court. Discourse doesn't happen in China. If the government wanted, you just go to prison and they throw the key away. That's if you're not killed outright. No discussion, no politics, nothing. The USA has freedom. China does not. EDIT - Ironically, even you and I discussing this online is forbidden in China. You're not allowed to express your disgust with problems of the Chinese government or state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nah. That's a strawman argument there. Killing someone is not equivalent to saying something offensive or burning books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've missed the point - I am pointing out that being forced to hide who you are at the risk of losing your job doesn't actually give people a choice and saying that they do is disingenuous. Criminalising someone's identity doesn't give people freedom to be who they are which the supposed freedom you say exists. It's just leaning into semantics while forgetting there's real life people at the end of it being told to hide their sexuality or gender because some chuds are up in their feelings because not everyone is straight or identifies with their gender at birth. Sounds free to me /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) We're comparing China and the USA. That's the topic. There's a reason Florida currently has thousands of vacancies in teaching positions and is one of the bottom 10 states in terms of education. Teachers are still free to do what they want and express their opinions (i.e., staying and risking prison, leaving the state, not working as a teacher, being politically active, teaching outside the classroom). Book burning and expressing your opinion are protected rights. It's absolutely embarrassing that the law exists, but the law will be challenged in court. Discourse doesn't happen in China. If the government wanted, you just go to prison and they throw the key away. That's if you're not killed outright. No discussion, no politics, nothing. The USA has freedom. China does not. EDIT - Ironically, even you and I discussing this online is forbidden in China. You're not allowed to express your disgust with problems of the Chinese government or state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ATiredPhilosopher@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've missed the point - I am pointing out that being forced to hide who you are at the risk of losing your job doesn't actually give people a choice and saying that they do is disingenuous. Criminalising someone's identity doesn't give people freedom to be who they are which the supposed freedom you say exists. It's just leaning into semantics while forgetting there's real life people at the end of it being told to hide their sexuality or gender because some chuds are up in their feelings because not everyone is straight or identifies with their gender at birth. Sounds free to me /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) We're comparing China and the USA. That's the topic. There's a reason Florida currently has thousands of vacancies in teaching positions and is one of the bottom 10 states in terms of education. Teachers are still free to do what they want and express their opinions (i.e., staying and risking prison, leaving the state, not working as a teacher, being politically active, teaching outside the classroom). Book burning and expressing your opinion are protected rights. It's absolutely embarrassing that the law exists, but the law will be challenged in court. Discourse doesn't happen in China. If the government wanted, you just go to prison and they throw the key away. That's if you're not killed outright. No discussion, no politics, nothing. The USA has freedom. China does not. EDIT - Ironically, even you and I discussing this online is forbidden in China. You're not allowed to express your disgust with problems of the Chinese government or state. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hardeehar@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) We're comparing China and the USA. That's the topic. There's a reason Florida currently has thousands of vacancies in teaching positions and is one of the bottom 10 states in terms of education. Teachers are still free to do what they want and express their opinions (i.e., staying and risking prison, leaving the state, not working as a teacher, being politically active, teaching outside the classroom). Book burning and expressing your opinion are protected rights. It's absolutely embarrassing that the law exists, but the law will be challenged in court. Discourse doesn't happen in China. If the government wanted, you just go to prison and they throw the key away. That's if you're not killed outright. No discussion, no politics, nothing. The USA has freedom. China does not. EDIT - Ironically, even you and I discussing this online is forbidden in China. You're not allowed to express your disgust with problems of the Chinese government or state. permalink fedilink source parent