▲ 48 ▼ Is Solarpunk the Hippie Movement Redux? (solarpunkpresents.com) submitted 3 years ago by poVoq@slrpnk.net [M] to c/solarpunk@slrpnk.net 22 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago (19 children) Short answer: Yes Long answer: Yeeeeesssssss permalink fedilink source hideshow 19 child comments replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 19 points 3 years ago (18 children) Apparently you didn't read the article. And no it isn't. It shares some superficial similarities and some roots (as the article explains), but contrary to the hippie movement it isn't about personal (and sexual) liberation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (17 children) It's a movement more or less built on aesthetics, it's doomed to go a similar path of getting a lot of steam and then doing nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) There's a lot more to solar punk than aesthetics. Sure, it started out there to a decent degree but it's grown to take on a life of it's own. Its a vehicle to realize liberatory politics at the community and global level through social ecology (among other things). It's an answer to the all too common question of what a post capitalist society would look like, particularly for many varieties of libertarian socialism. The only way solarpunk would lose steam is if it abandons it's political foundation. Which is a part of what happened to the hippy movement but we've learned from past mistakes and I have faith that solarpunk can be realized in some meaningful fashion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] johnnycashsguitar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, on a slight tangent but I was wondering what the difference between social ecology and human ecology is. I hear a lot about social ecology in these circles and a lot about human ecology in different circles. I'm assuming they're related, but are they interchangeable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think you have a point but I can also see how Art inspires science and engineering Solarpunk art already includes extremely dense information about how to accomplish the goals and of course the aesthetic And while the art is the most iconic part of solarpunk, there is more to it as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kozy138@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Agreed. Art is the single most powerful tool used to start cultural revolutions. The Renaissance only happened because of artists' ideas were spread in a meaningful way. The music and psychedelic art of the 50s-60s inspired the hippie movement. Currently, we are being inspired by cyberpunk art. I guess that's the natural progression of capitalism. But it will eventually fail. And when it does, SolarPunk will rise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago it's also only 9 years old and still growing permalink fedilink source parent [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Again you show your complete ignorance of Solarpunk. Why are you commenting in this community if you don't even understand the basics of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago Passing by from All. Sorry for the inconvenience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssk227@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) you had the opportunity to invite someone in and share your knowledge and instead you act like a tit. go eat a granola bar, jeez permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent [–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Their ignorance isn't limited to this community. permalink fedilink source parent [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago If communities on slrpnk are anything to go by, it is more than aesthetics. !abc@slrpnk.net !abolition@slrpnk.net !anarchism@slrpnk.net !antiwork@slrpnk.net !infrapolitics@slrpnk.net !landback@slrpnk.net !shoplifting@slrpnk.net permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 19 points 3 years ago (18 children) Apparently you didn't read the article. And no it isn't. It shares some superficial similarities and some roots (as the article explains), but contrary to the hippie movement it isn't about personal (and sexual) liberation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (17 children) It's a movement more or less built on aesthetics, it's doomed to go a similar path of getting a lot of steam and then doing nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) There's a lot more to solar punk than aesthetics. Sure, it started out there to a decent degree but it's grown to take on a life of it's own. Its a vehicle to realize liberatory politics at the community and global level through social ecology (among other things). It's an answer to the all too common question of what a post capitalist society would look like, particularly for many varieties of libertarian socialism. The only way solarpunk would lose steam is if it abandons it's political foundation. Which is a part of what happened to the hippy movement but we've learned from past mistakes and I have faith that solarpunk can be realized in some meaningful fashion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] johnnycashsguitar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, on a slight tangent but I was wondering what the difference between social ecology and human ecology is. I hear a lot about social ecology in these circles and a lot about human ecology in different circles. I'm assuming they're related, but are they interchangeable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think you have a point but I can also see how Art inspires science and engineering Solarpunk art already includes extremely dense information about how to accomplish the goals and of course the aesthetic And while the art is the most iconic part of solarpunk, there is more to it as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kozy138@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Agreed. Art is the single most powerful tool used to start cultural revolutions. The Renaissance only happened because of artists' ideas were spread in a meaningful way. The music and psychedelic art of the 50s-60s inspired the hippie movement. Currently, we are being inspired by cyberpunk art. I guess that's the natural progression of capitalism. But it will eventually fail. And when it does, SolarPunk will rise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago it's also only 9 years old and still growing permalink fedilink source parent [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Again you show your complete ignorance of Solarpunk. Why are you commenting in this community if you don't even understand the basics of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago Passing by from All. Sorry for the inconvenience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssk227@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) you had the opportunity to invite someone in and share your knowledge and instead you act like a tit. go eat a granola bar, jeez permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent [–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Their ignorance isn't limited to this community. permalink fedilink source parent [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago If communities on slrpnk are anything to go by, it is more than aesthetics. !abc@slrpnk.net !abolition@slrpnk.net !anarchism@slrpnk.net !antiwork@slrpnk.net !infrapolitics@slrpnk.net !landback@slrpnk.net !shoplifting@slrpnk.net permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (17 children) It's a movement more or less built on aesthetics, it's doomed to go a similar path of getting a lot of steam and then doing nothing with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) There's a lot more to solar punk than aesthetics. Sure, it started out there to a decent degree but it's grown to take on a life of it's own. Its a vehicle to realize liberatory politics at the community and global level through social ecology (among other things). It's an answer to the all too common question of what a post capitalist society would look like, particularly for many varieties of libertarian socialism. The only way solarpunk would lose steam is if it abandons it's political foundation. Which is a part of what happened to the hippy movement but we've learned from past mistakes and I have faith that solarpunk can be realized in some meaningful fashion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] johnnycashsguitar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, on a slight tangent but I was wondering what the difference between social ecology and human ecology is. I hear a lot about social ecology in these circles and a lot about human ecology in different circles. I'm assuming they're related, but are they interchangeable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think you have a point but I can also see how Art inspires science and engineering Solarpunk art already includes extremely dense information about how to accomplish the goals and of course the aesthetic And while the art is the most iconic part of solarpunk, there is more to it as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kozy138@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Agreed. Art is the single most powerful tool used to start cultural revolutions. The Renaissance only happened because of artists' ideas were spread in a meaningful way. The music and psychedelic art of the 50s-60s inspired the hippie movement. Currently, we are being inspired by cyberpunk art. I guess that's the natural progression of capitalism. But it will eventually fail. And when it does, SolarPunk will rise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago it's also only 9 years old and still growing permalink fedilink source parent [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Again you show your complete ignorance of Solarpunk. Why are you commenting in this community if you don't even understand the basics of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago Passing by from All. Sorry for the inconvenience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssk227@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) you had the opportunity to invite someone in and share your knowledge and instead you act like a tit. go eat a granola bar, jeez permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent [–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Their ignorance isn't limited to this community. permalink fedilink source parent [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago If communities on slrpnk are anything to go by, it is more than aesthetics. !abc@slrpnk.net !abolition@slrpnk.net !anarchism@slrpnk.net !antiwork@slrpnk.net !infrapolitics@slrpnk.net !landback@slrpnk.net !shoplifting@slrpnk.net permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) There's a lot more to solar punk than aesthetics. Sure, it started out there to a decent degree but it's grown to take on a life of it's own. Its a vehicle to realize liberatory politics at the community and global level through social ecology (among other things). It's an answer to the all too common question of what a post capitalist society would look like, particularly for many varieties of libertarian socialism. The only way solarpunk would lose steam is if it abandons it's political foundation. Which is a part of what happened to the hippy movement but we've learned from past mistakes and I have faith that solarpunk can be realized in some meaningful fashion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] johnnycashsguitar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, on a slight tangent but I was wondering what the difference between social ecology and human ecology is. I hear a lot about social ecology in these circles and a lot about human ecology in different circles. I'm assuming they're related, but are they interchangeable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent
[–] johnnycashsguitar@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Okay, on a slight tangent but I was wondering what the difference between social ecology and human ecology is. I hear a lot about social ecology in these circles and a lot about human ecology in different circles. I'm assuming they're related, but are they interchangeable? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 4 points 3 years ago So there's the academic study of social ecology which is related to human ecology, the latter being a broader area of study. There's also social ecology, a philosophical theory developed by Murray Bookchin. He's a prolific social libertarian who developed the ideology of communalism after a falling out with anarchists over how decision making would be handled in a post-state society. I'm kind of steering away from your question at this point but I'd be happy to continue (to the best of my ability, I'm still learning) if you have any more questions permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 years ago (3 children) I think you have a point but I can also see how Art inspires science and engineering Solarpunk art already includes extremely dense information about how to accomplish the goals and of course the aesthetic And while the art is the most iconic part of solarpunk, there is more to it as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kozy138@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Agreed. Art is the single most powerful tool used to start cultural revolutions. The Renaissance only happened because of artists' ideas were spread in a meaningful way. The music and psychedelic art of the 50s-60s inspired the hippie movement. Currently, we are being inspired by cyberpunk art. I guess that's the natural progression of capitalism. But it will eventually fail. And when it does, SolarPunk will rise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago it's also only 9 years old and still growing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Agreed. Art is the single most powerful tool used to start cultural revolutions. The Renaissance only happened because of artists' ideas were spread in a meaningful way. The music and psychedelic art of the 50s-60s inspired the hippie movement. Currently, we are being inspired by cyberpunk art. I guess that's the natural progression of capitalism. But it will eventually fail. And when it does, SolarPunk will rise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago You are so right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago it's also only 9 years old and still growing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 4 points 3 years ago (8 children) Again you show your complete ignorance of Solarpunk. Why are you commenting in this community if you don't even understand the basics of it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago Passing by from All. Sorry for the inconvenience. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssk227@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) you had the opportunity to invite someone in and share your knowledge and instead you act like a tit. go eat a granola bar, jeez permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent [–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Their ignorance isn't limited to this community. permalink fedilink source parent [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 years ago Passing by from All. Sorry for the inconvenience. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ssk227@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) you had the opportunity to invite someone in and share your knowledge and instead you act like a tit. go eat a granola bar, jeez permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net [S] 8 points 3 years ago I tried in my first reply, but why should I waste more time on someone that doesn't even bother to read the linked text and shows repeated 0 effort in trying to understand even the basics? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago Their ignorance isn't limited to this community. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) People being rude on the Internet=Nazi? I'm genuinely interested, could you please break that down for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] glad_cat@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 3 points 3 years ago You’re showing the same level of kindness and gatekeeping than a SS soldier. What does this mean? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Five@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago If communities on slrpnk are anything to go by, it is more than aesthetics. !abc@slrpnk.net !abolition@slrpnk.net !anarchism@slrpnk.net !antiwork@slrpnk.net !infrapolitics@slrpnk.net !landback@slrpnk.net !shoplifting@slrpnk.net permalink fedilink source parent