Comradeship // Freechat

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[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 27 points 3 years ago (2 children)

includes stuff you learn in history class in school anyway.

dog what, did you go to school on the moon or something?

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Uh, I was in a southern state. I learned a lof of what it talked about in several history classes before reaching college (which definitely did talk about this stuff as well).

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[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 years ago

What class did you learn about Bacon's Rebellion in?

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[+] pipedpiper@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (4 children)

PSL is doing activism against imperialism. It’s just not talked about because the media likes that anti-war stuff is only coming from the right, and RAtWM can be used as evidence for horseshoe theory.

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[+] pipedpiper@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago (2 children)

PSL isn’t democracy now. They are actually trying to build a left anti-war movement. Meanwhile RAtWM is just fueling horseshoe theory and opportunism.

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[+] pipedpiper@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago

I agree with all that. All I’m saying Rage Against the War Machine isn’t doing any good (the thing with far right libertarians collaborating with patsocs. I think grayzone is involved).

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 1 point 3 years ago

There's nothing really, I would say, wrong with PSL fundamentally. If they're doing actual activism rather than Internet shenanigans, then they're already more advanced than a lot of leftists out there.

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[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

They didn't cover next to anything that Sakai covered in Settlers in my history classes; for damned sure. Let's hear about why you find it to be 'a bad book'; because the only 'critique' I ever hear about it seems to be coming from aggrieved settlers who don't like what they're reading from an accountability standpoint; and I want to see if you're any different to that trend.

Been there, argued that, not wasting the electrons again. Go away.

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[–] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Btw that account is makan

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 years ago

I forgot, we’ve had this conversation before. He thinks Sakai is too critical of CPUSA’s favorite people.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] -2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I'm non-white. The person misquotes several people and attacks several orgs I know in-person for being. We don't even know the person's credentials or whether they are a "Sakai" to begin with. Prove to me the credentials of the person and maybe I'll take what the person says at face-value; until then, read it critically and maybe consider the other side of the story when it comes to documenting the labor movement.

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[–] absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Man, I told you I'd been there and done that with you already. With all due respect, please fuck off. We've been here before, and I'm utterly disinterested in the anti-accountability horseshit you peddle. "Buh buh buh we don't know who he really is" like we don't have a LONG FUCKING HISTORY of pseudonymous publishing. For someone who's non-white, you sure as shit argue like a white man. Fuck outta here.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] -1 points 3 years ago

Uh, I'm not against accountability. We also don't really have a long history of pseudonymous publishing or one that's really that extensive. Why are you attacking and acting rude toward me? It's literally just one book out of many...

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

I liked settlers. It’s thesis was a little extreme, but I learned a lot of new stuff from it (probably because it’s old). Which parts did you learn in history class? In a way I don’t want patsocs to be able to group us in the Sakai stans, but I’d also like to promote it to spite them. Yes, there are better books now.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

We are communists, we don't automatically refuse extreme just because. Problem with it that it was undialectical and thus unmarxist.

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 years ago

I don’t mean too extreme as in “extremism=bad” like libs. I mean he lays out evidence that USian crackers are part of an oppressor nation and have historically benefited from imperialism, but goes as far as to say that we cannot be working class and nothing good can ever come from us or from working with us because we are inherently opportunistic and bourgeois or something like that. I agree he failed to use dialectical and historical materialism as a mode of study.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

The Filipino War, the genocide of Indigenous peoples, the ethnic cleansing of the "civilized tribes," New Deal and the inherent racism of it, etc. I'm, err, not exactly sure what I'm missing, but there you go.

But hey, if you want to spite PatSocs, you do you. As you yourself said, there are better books now since 1979.

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[–] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Maybe I will in the future but I didn’t learn much of that in school.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net [S] 2 points 3 years ago

Oh okay. I did.