this post was submitted on 02 Oct 2023

347 points (99.7% liked)

196

16582 readers

1571 users here now

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.

Rule: You must post before you leave.

^other^ ^rules^

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

347

Lemmy funny af rule (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

24 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[+] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

[removed by mod]

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A man can cast 150 yards, but I can only cast about 70 yards. Some of the girls can only cast 50 yards. Body strength plays a major part and it gives Becky Lee a lot more water that she can fish in.”

The claim in the article is incredibly weak, especially versus the studies. I put this video at that the appropriate timestamp to hear someone go in depth on it, or click any of their sources for the raw science. But fair warning, it's not light reading.

The TL:DR is that Trans Women after 2 years of hormones, show no statistical difference from cis women in any athletic or cardiovascular actives. This is the basis that every major sports league, including the Olympics requires. In fact, the only time where it MIGHT be a factor is trans men having an advantage over cis men, but no one panics about that because assigned female at birth trans men are just assumed to be weak right? The entire premise that your genitals, assigned sex at birth or "male/female bones" overrides your endocrine system is based in bias, not fact.

Yes higher T generally coincides with more strength, but that fact entirely misses the point that trans women don't have much. It is VERY common for trans women to have lower T levels in their system versus cis women for a pretty obvious reason, one group is actively taking medication suppress it. (Or have had surgery to remove testes, where most T production occurs)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To highlight the points you're making, Sport England itself has data on its main page that stipulates that women are less active than men in general and that starts at a young age.

https://www.sportengland.org/research-and-data/research/gender

Our new 10-year strategy launched in 2021, Uniting the Movement, is our plan to make being physically active a normal part of life for everyone in England – to make it easier for all of us as we go about our everyday lives.

Because currently, it’s not always a level playing field.

We know that women are less active than men, and this gender gap starts with girls being less active from a very young age.

This inequality, as well as others, is at the very core of Uniting the Movement and we have a laser focus on tackling them in all that we do, because providing opportunities to people and communities that have traditionally been left behind, and helping to remove the barriers to activity, has never been more important.

So, surprise, it's probably not just "genetics" or "testosterone" as people keep claiming that all men are naturally stronger, when the statistics say that women are by and large less active, and that since this starts at a young age, it can have a long-term affect on women's sports abilities.

On top of this, socially, women with lots of muscles are often not viewed as sexually desirable, despite being stronger than a lot of men in their weight class. So it's also justified to consider maybe women don't pursue strength as a virtue in the way a lot of men do, due to social expectations.

As Sport England points out, they're often not being told socially that they can and should be active and involved, and on top of that, they often have negative social consequences for doing so.

Literally a huge part of what Sport England is supposed to do is supposed to be about outreach and inclusivity, to make all Britons more active.

That should include making trans people more active, instead of looking for more reasons to remove them from activities.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

So much this. As a woman without testosterone, the only way I'm able to do well in roller derby is my previous experience playing ice hockey from a young age.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

appropriate timestamp

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

66-year-old team captain Heather told the Daily Mail that the team has already been “humiliated” with Hodges in their team. She claimed that the 2018 world championships “wasn’t a nice situation, mainly because all the other countries wouldn’t speak to us.”

‘The managers wouldn’t speak to our manager. They were all against us. When we went up to collect our medal, nobody clapped and people walked out,” Heather said, adding, “Although Becky Lee would be an asset to my team, it’s unfair on everyone else. And if you win in a situation like that, you can’t enjoy the victory, because it feels like you’ve cheated.”

Sounds like she's more upset that bigots decided to be bigoted, and that to her, the real problem is she doesn't get to be praised by bigots anymore.

“Many of the Angling Trust board members don’t fish and don’t know the sport. A man can cast 150 yards, but I can only cast about 70 yards. Some of the girls can only cast 50 yards. Body strength plays a major part and it gives Becky Lee a lot more water that she can fish in.”

Trans women, of course, are not men and are often receiving gender-affirming health care that lowers their testosterone levels.

Their anecdotes don't mean shit against the voluminous scientific evidence that trans women simply do not have enough of an advantage to justify discrimination.

The only person in the article claiming that there is unfair advantage is the 66-year-old coach who is upset that players from other countries don't celebrate them anymore, and instead of chalking that up to them being bigoted jerks, she chalks it up to "we need to kick out the trans person because bigots aren't nice to us anymore." I'm just gonna go out on a fucking limb and assume her age has something to do with being a totally out of touch fucking nitwit, and why she would defend the bigots instead of telling them to pound fucking sand.

Also, let's not forget that this interview was with The Daily Mail a well known conservative shitrag that pushes conservative politics. This 66 year old fucking fossil chose this as the place to give her concerns. She chose a conservative propaganda shitrag, that's on her and speaks loudly to her shitty politics.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12552627/England-ladies-angling-team-refuse-compete-world-championships-trans-woman.html

That's where this interview was originally from. It's a fucking propaganda shitrag.

[+] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

[removed by mod]

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Except that the sports overseeing body tested it and found out that Becky Lee Birtwhistle Hodges, the athlete in question, IS actually able to cast twice as far as most women.

You're asking me to read the article, but nothing in the article stipulates as much, except an anecdote from the team coach, which doesn't say Becky can cast 150 meters, but says "Men can."

This is the statement from the body overseeing this sport:

https://anglingtrust.net/2023/06/13/angling-trust-clarifies-transgender-participation-policy-following-england-ladies-shore-team-resignations/

Other articles about the same thing repeatedly say: "The Angling Trust has denied claims that transgender women have a physical advantage in fishing."

So if the Angling Trust is defending her, and they aren't changing the rules unless told to by a larger sports body, who is this sports body that "proved" this, then?

Jamie Cook, chief executive of the Angling Trust, said: 'As the national governing body for angling, the question we are required to address by Sport England is whether the sport of angling is gender impacted to an extent where fairness overrides inclusion or safety.

'The view of the Angling Trust board is that as a non-contact sport, the safety concern is not deemed significant within the sport of angling.'

There are literally zero articles that support the idea that a sports overseeing body tested it and found out. I think you're fucking misreading this shit, man. But I suppose that's what you got for taking anything printed in The Daily Fail seriously.