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It’s very funny to me that liberals, the most politically and historically illiterate group of people of all time, are so self-assured that they speak of communism with the confidence of a PhD (hexbear.net)
submitted 3 years ago by [M] to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net
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“Communism bad”

“Why?”

200 year old tropes so ancient they were debunked by Marx himself

Of course, you go through the motions of explaining the most basic political concepts that could be grasped by skimming the cliff notes for literally any Marxist works

“Friedrich Engels? Is he like the president of Germany or something?”

It’s like a kindergartener trying to teach you calculus.

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[–] 100 points 3 years ago (7 children)

200 year old tropes so ancient they were debunked by Marx himself

In the very first lecture of my Macro 101 course in undergrad, my libertarian econ professor talked about how if the LTV was correct then an inedible mud pie would have as much value as a real pie. I was delighted when I first read Capital and I saw that Marx debunked this very myth like on page 4. Marx is great at anticipating objections and then thoroughly responding, it’s just the libs don’t bother to read him.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    It's lovely to hear people say that Marx has been debunked. Have they read Marx? No, of course not. The debunkers who they DID read hadnt either so this conversation is always pleasant blob-no-thoughts

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 3 years ago

    They aren’t interested in the truth. They’re interested in “debunking” Marxism by any means necessary. It’s the political version of the gamer thing where you don’t need to actually play the game to decide it’s bad because professional opinion havers already told you what to think.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    What is the debunking, for those of us who are unread savages.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    value is produced not by "any labor time that i imagine" but by "socially necessary labor time." mud pies are not socially necessary in any context, and it would be an absurd counterfactual to attempt to defend. the hypothetical society too stupid to realize that mud pies are worthless.

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