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Just remember that, regardless of the creators' intents, Idiocracy is essentially pro-eugenics.
That's not true at all, genetics only play a part in the mental development of a person, much of it is instead related to the environment where a person has been growing.
It is as with talent, some people are better than other at certain activities but even the most gifted person cannot compete with a professional who has spent his life training and studying his craft.
The same can be said for "intelligence": if you are never taught to think you'll never think once in your lifetime, even if you are the exact copy of Leonardo da Vinci; on the other hand, even if you are thick as a rock but you've been growing in a society focused on your development you'll be able to become a normal person.
Eugenetic politics do nothing for humanity betterment, social structure is much more important IMHO
Eugenics IMO is just another way to blame poor people for the bad luck of their birth. If we truly wanted to "perfect humanity" there are a million better ways, like free education.
Just piggy backing off of what you're saying
Absolutely. Poverty comes never alone, it usually brings other friends to the party. Like poor education, lack of security, stress, poor nurishment and poor social environment. All this together can easily bring out the worst of people, while the contrary can improve their conditions.
If you are focused on surviving you'll never be able to grow as we are all supposed to
This is so true. Even "breaking out of" poverty is hard, if you're lucky enough to have managed it, because you can't ever change where you've come from. Just anecdotally, my siblings and I have done very well for ourselves financially, but we've had to take on a lot of other family members' debt just to keep them from going under.
So not only do poor people lack the safety net of family wealth, but they experience a kind of opposite effect if they even do manage to "make it."
Okay, I agree with you and I'm not sure why you're saying I'm wrong. That movie definitely has a eugenics bent and that's why I'm saying people shouldn't put too much stock in it.
Yeah it's in the opening thesis of the movie:
Not saying I agree with the premise at all, and I'm putting it much more lightly than the movie does.
Because the movie does not hint at eugenetics as solution to the crisis, it's a hymn against stupidity and a cry to better educate the masses. First of all about sexual education and the danger of unprotected sex and secondly about politics and civic duties. I mean, I really don't see how one could interpret the message of the movie as "do eugenetics", that's all.
I think the people seeing it as pro-eugenics are latching onto the “stupid person makes stupid babies” part as being the reason for the Idiocracy. Basically they think the movie is arguing “IQ is 100% nature and 0% nurture”
But IMO the intro pretty clearly showed that the main factor in the degradation of society is that the low IQ family were raising too many kids in a chaotic environment with no actual parenting.
Idiocracy is satire.
Do you think Fight Club was celebrating super cool guy Tyler Durden too?
It certainly was intended to be satire. Seems that they kind of failed at that over time. We need a new word for when someone makes super cool and blow cereal.
Blow cereal?
Attack of voice dictation and lack of proofreading. Super Colon Blow, It was an old Saturday night live skit
You should have seen me trying to convince it not to write super: blow
Makes sense.
I thought it was slang that I was too old to understand.
If that's the outcome of abstaining from eugenics, I'm willing to give it another shot.