▲ 403 ▼ Gen Z falls for online scams more than their boomer grandparents do (www.vox.com) submitted 2 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments Gen Z falls for online scams more than their boomer grandparents do::The generation that grew up with the internet isn’t invulnerable to becoming the victim of online hackers and scammers.
[–] 1boiledpotato@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's why you a need a package manager permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 768@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A package manager for piracy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago (4 children) Yes, it's called torrenting software. If you are just downloading regular things using a "download" button, that's amateur piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago You gotta raise those sails up, that's rookie piracy permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not sail the usenet ocean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I rather be free pirate than a paid pirate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent [–] z500@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I feel like it's one of the internet's better kept secrets that you can just Google for blogs that have music downloads, and as long as it's not too obscure you'll probably find it. No fake download buttons, at least none that I've noticed with an ad blocker. Generally, the gaudier the blog and the goofier the name, the more reliable it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Music, huh? free-mp3-download.net permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Running modified executables you find on torrent sites seems worse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Software is software. You're downloading shady software off the Internet anyway, but there's one key difference: Torrent sites (such as The Pirate Bay) usually have systems of trusted uploaders. These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. A torrent with a large number of seeders (think: hundreds or thousands) is less likely to contain a virus because nobody honest would seed a malware torrent and it'd cost a lot to fake that many seeders across the world. Torrenting software verifies the integrity of downloaded data. It uses a cryptographic hash function for this so it's impossible for a seeder to send you a tampered file (that is different from the file you intended to download). When you use a torrent file or magnet link, it contains the hash of the file so if what you receive does not match the hash then the torrenting software will discard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago That seems like a cool idea actually... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 768@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) A package manager for piracy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago (4 children) Yes, it's called torrenting software. If you are just downloading regular things using a "download" button, that's amateur piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago You gotta raise those sails up, that's rookie piracy permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not sail the usenet ocean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I rather be free pirate than a paid pirate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent [–] z500@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I feel like it's one of the internet's better kept secrets that you can just Google for blogs that have music downloads, and as long as it's not too obscure you'll probably find it. No fake download buttons, at least none that I've noticed with an ad blocker. Generally, the gaudier the blog and the goofier the name, the more reliable it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Music, huh? free-mp3-download.net permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Running modified executables you find on torrent sites seems worse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Software is software. You're downloading shady software off the Internet anyway, but there's one key difference: Torrent sites (such as The Pirate Bay) usually have systems of trusted uploaders. These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. A torrent with a large number of seeders (think: hundreds or thousands) is less likely to contain a virus because nobody honest would seed a malware torrent and it'd cost a lot to fake that many seeders across the world. Torrenting software verifies the integrity of downloaded data. It uses a cryptographic hash function for this so it's impossible for a seeder to send you a tampered file (that is different from the file you intended to download). When you use a torrent file or magnet link, it contains the hash of the file so if what you receive does not match the hash then the torrenting software will discard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent [–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago That seems like a cool idea actually... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 years ago (4 children) Yes, it's called torrenting software. If you are just downloading regular things using a "download" button, that's amateur piracy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago You gotta raise those sails up, that's rookie piracy permalink fedilink source parent [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not sail the usenet ocean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I rather be free pirate than a paid pirate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent [–] z500@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I feel like it's one of the internet's better kept secrets that you can just Google for blogs that have music downloads, and as long as it's not too obscure you'll probably find it. No fake download buttons, at least none that I've noticed with an ad blocker. Generally, the gaudier the blog and the goofier the name, the more reliable it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Music, huh? free-mp3-download.net permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Running modified executables you find on torrent sites seems worse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Software is software. You're downloading shady software off the Internet anyway, but there's one key difference: Torrent sites (such as The Pirate Bay) usually have systems of trusted uploaders. These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. A torrent with a large number of seeders (think: hundreds or thousands) is less likely to contain a virus because nobody honest would seed a malware torrent and it'd cost a lot to fake that many seeders across the world. Torrenting software verifies the integrity of downloaded data. It uses a cryptographic hash function for this so it's impossible for a seeder to send you a tampered file (that is different from the file you intended to download). When you use a torrent file or magnet link, it contains the hash of the file so if what you receive does not match the hash then the torrenting software will discard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago You gotta raise those sails up, that's rookie piracy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not sail the usenet ocean? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I rather be free pirate than a paid pirate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I rather be free pirate than a paid pirate permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I’m a pay to leech pirate for legal reasons 😇 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] z500@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I feel like it's one of the internet's better kept secrets that you can just Google for blogs that have music downloads, and as long as it's not too obscure you'll probably find it. No fake download buttons, at least none that I've noticed with an ad blocker. Generally, the gaudier the blog and the goofier the name, the more reliable it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Music, huh? free-mp3-download.net permalink fedilink source parent
[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Music, huh? free-mp3-download.net permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Running modified executables you find on torrent sites seems worse permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Software is software. You're downloading shady software off the Internet anyway, but there's one key difference: Torrent sites (such as The Pirate Bay) usually have systems of trusted uploaders. These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. A torrent with a large number of seeders (think: hundreds or thousands) is less likely to contain a virus because nobody honest would seed a malware torrent and it'd cost a lot to fake that many seeders across the world. Torrenting software verifies the integrity of downloaded data. It uses a cryptographic hash function for this so it's impossible for a seeder to send you a tampered file (that is different from the file you intended to download). When you use a torrent file or magnet link, it contains the hash of the file so if what you receive does not match the hash then the torrenting software will discard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago (3 children) Software is software. You're downloading shady software off the Internet anyway, but there's one key difference: Torrent sites (such as The Pirate Bay) usually have systems of trusted uploaders. These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. A torrent with a large number of seeders (think: hundreds or thousands) is less likely to contain a virus because nobody honest would seed a malware torrent and it'd cost a lot to fake that many seeders across the world. Torrenting software verifies the integrity of downloaded data. It uses a cryptographic hash function for this so it's impossible for a seeder to send you a tampered file (that is different from the file you intended to download). When you use a torrent file or magnet link, it contains the hash of the file so if what you receive does not match the hash then the torrenting software will discard it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent [–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramblinguy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago I mostly agree with you, except that The Pirate Bay is mostly regarded as risky for software. https://rentry.co/megathread-all-purpose under "untrustworthy websites". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) These are marked with a green/purple skull next to the file in search results. do you think gen-z is able to somehow hover over the icons to see the tooltip and understand what these skulls are for when they're using their phone for everything? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Who is torrenting stuff on their PHONE?! (Unless using it to control their PC remotely) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago it was mostly a joke and an exaggeration, but it still baffles me how much more they use their phone for things that objectively one can do much easier in a pc or laptop. Like things that require you to have 5-10 tabs open and constantly jump between them to compare things or fill a form with 20 fields etc permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) This assumes a bad actor doesn’t flood the torrent with their own peers. It would be trivial to set up a couple hundred peers to distribute malware. Not sure if it was ever confirmed, but some years back it was speculated that the MPAA or associated groups were putting out bad torrents full of broken files to stop people from pirating movies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NateNate60@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago A "couple hundred peers" is a lot easier said than done. That being said, it does happen and you are correct that having a lot of seeders doesn't guarantee a safe download. All of the three conditions I mentioned are neither sufficient nor necessary for a safe download, but there is a strong correlation. Unless the torrent is official (e.g. official Linux distro torrents), there is always some chance of a bad download. The chance can be low but is never zero. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago That seems like a cool idea actually... permalink fedilink source parent