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Anti-LGTBQ “Million March For Children” outnumbered by “Billion March For Not Being Bigots” (www.thebeaverton.com)
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[–] 36 points 3 years ago (46 children)

Because there is literally no credible argument against teaching children about being tolerant towards gay and trans kid, other than hate on LGBTQIA+.

Hopefully with kids learning tolerance from an early age, they wont grow to be intolerant idiots like their parents

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I do hate on LGBTQIA+. It sucks! The acronym is too damn long, and a pain to type out. Can't it be something easy to say and type? Like WIE - We Include Everybody, PAB - People Against Biggots, NBE - Non Binary Equality, or something like that.

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  • [+] -13 points 3 years ago (8 children)
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  • [+] -14 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    There's even more letters now:

    • 2S, because one letter isn't grand enough
    • at the front, because anything else would be called racist.

    I call them Alphabet rights, because I know I'm going to miss one, and thankfully my more-involved friends show me the charity of teasing me for that only a bit.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Why would anyone tease you for that? Unless you're a member of the community, why would anyone expect you to keep up to date?

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  • [+] -19 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (33 children)
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  • [–] 29 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (8 children)

    If you want to be upset about children getting gender surgeries, then rage at circumcisions and forced gender reassignment for intersex infants, because no one is giving transgender children gender surgery or hormone treatments. The only thing kids may receive (within the us and canada, I'm not sure about other countries) is puberty blockers, which are safe and reversible simply by stopping their usage.
    https://www.healthline.com/health/are-puberty-blockers-reversible

    Drag storytime is not sexual at all, don't fall for that lie. There are many different types of drag shows; storytime and adult burlesque are miles apart in differences.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    This is informative but kinda of rude. The OP just said they don't know if that's a valid concern or not they didn't "want to be upset" at anything.

    Sorry to jump on this, but I just find that people immediately dogpile on anyone who says anything other than "pride good".

    Appreciate the link and info though.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I was plenty nice. If you had to constantly defend your existence, you might get a little touchy about it too. You do not have the right to tell me how to react to that... are trans people not allowed a bit of frustration when we have to deal with this 24/7? I do not owe anyone pleasantries when they're pushing propaganda, and whether they meant to or not is irrelevant when the outcome is the same- propaganda being pushed. You're welcome for the link, but please stop telling trans people how they should act, yeah?

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I hear you, that seems like it would be frustrating. I just think you're doing your own cause a disservice by attacking folks that admit they don't know. I think in OP's case you're painting them as a adversary when they're mostly on your side.

    Anyway, you do you, I'm just hoping you'll think about it a bit. All the best.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'm just asking questions...

    A person can choose to learn by repeating lies on social media so they can be "dog-piled" and have their statements picked apart, or they can google "what trans healthcare can minors access in Canada?" If they choose the former, they probably have thick skin by now.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I getcha, I'm just saying that engaging with people who ask a question by implying they're stupid or malicious isn't a great way to reach them, or others that read what you've written.

    Maybe you disagree, but just think about it some.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Actually, I directly suggested they were misinformed and not malicious, rather than implying anything. Since then, they confirmed their intent by moving the goalposts away from their clearly disprovable point, rather than acknowledging that they might have been misinformed by an irresponsible source.

    I've thought about this issue plenty, thank you for implying that I'm acting thoughtlessly.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    You are spreading lies. I hope it's unintentional.

    Minors are not getting gender surgery and the few that get access to anything hormonal are not offered anything irreversible.

    Equating "story time" with adult burlesque is just simple bigotry. Someone dressing up as a princess to read a story to kids isn't burlesque, regardless of their gender.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago

    How do you know story time is lead by burlesque performers? And how would you know if a woman in the library reading to kids is not also a night performer? You are the one making that connection. Gender and gendered clothing are not sex. The reason they are making a big deal out drag story time is to associate cross-dressing with sexual performance (i.e., inappropriate for kids). Why, you ask? So that the mere existence of trans women in our communities can be considered inappropriate.

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  • [+] -18 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    So delaying or stopping puberty, for how long? your body will turn out exactly like if you had not delayed/stopped hormones?

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  • [–] 22 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    Well, I'm no medical professional, but medical professionals have been prescribing puberty blockers for other things for decades, and if they were as dangerous as all that, then you'd think the FDA would have banned that by now.

    Besides which, access to treatments like those ones are documented to reduce rates of self-harm, including suicide, among kids with gender dysphoria. And if your metric is the body turning out like it would have without these treatments, well, I hope I don't need to fill in the blank for you.

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  • [+] -20 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Yeah that is good for them. It just seems wrong to say its reversible.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    They're more reversible than suicide.

    But sure, I hear you, that doesn't actually answer the question. So here's an authoritative source on the matter. To drastically hyper-over-simplify, they basically are.

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  • [+] -11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

    More than suicide yes, but the science is not there to be able to say its basically reversible. It will have an effect being without sex hormones during when you should have started puberty. Im not against the treatment, it just sounds ridicolous to say its will have no impact on your boodys development.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago*

    Wait, did I misunderstand you the whole time? Are you actually saying that the problem with puberty blockers is that they block puberty? Did you somehow miss where that's literally the entire point of them?

    Also, repeating the same claim you just made again while ignoring the authoritative source I just provided that contradicts it is some shit I see creationists doing. Not a good look. If you support trans people, like you say in your next comment, then why are you arguing this in the same way someone who doesn't support trans people would?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Those are rational concerns. They really are. And these are all concerns that a physician could address when talking to their patients who might be starting to question their gender. And that's how it should stay.

    All that to say that unless you are a trained physician, or are an adult experiencing gender dysphoria, or are the parent of a child experiencing it, it's none of your business. Trans people exist. Let them exist peacefully.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Why do you think im against trans people? Im not, the poster above complained about missinfo while saying its fully reversrble.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    If your criteria are that a medical treatment is absolutely 100% safe and can be reversed as if absolutely no intervention was completed, then well, yeah, we shouldn't have Tylenol. Medicine is ALWAYS about balancing risks, and trying to make sure things are the least invasive option. It's done every day, in every Drs office.

    Concern trolling about this particular case while spreading misinformation is in fact being "against" those particular people. Let them work out the safest option with their doctor in peace, like you would be able to do with your own health concerns. For all practical purposes, puberty blockers are relatively safe and reversible.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Please re-read my statement. I didn't say you are against trans people. I simply said that these are discussions best left to a person and their physician. As a cis man, I should have as much say in the matter as I do on abortion or breast reduction or hysterectomy, which is none until it directly involves me or my immediate family.

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  • [+] -7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    This is a pretty rude answer to someone admitting they don't know much about a subject.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    We live in an age where we have countless information at our fingertips. Google scholar is literally a browser click away. If they don't like social media answers from individuals because they're too rude then they should do their own research, on their own time, instead of complaining about the quality of free labor from a minority group that is constantly forced to justify their existence ALL the time. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] -5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    That's not fair to OP. He didn't complain about the answers anywhere. I'm just suggesting to folks here that maybe you'd reach more people if you didn't imply that anyone who asks a question is either stupid or malicious.

    It doesn't seem too crazy to me to say that someone should be able to enter a conversation and say they don't know something without being attacked.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The whole point is to give educated information to children/teenagers. If one goes to the counselor and tells that they think they might be trans, the school will give proper information about it.

    People act as if drugs are being given in lunch time to the kids.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago

    Drag Queens are just people dressed fancily in a different gender's clothing. It is not sexual or inherently adult oriented. As Drag performers are artists and performers most are quite capable of tailoring their act for their audience so a show for families is not the sane act as one for adult clubs.

    You are really confused by the looks of your post.

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