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"The term was invented by nazis, to criticise the soviet union crushing a nazi uprising with tanks" Suck my dick for real, the term was invented after the people of hungary(including much of my family from my mothers side) rose up against the "communist" dictators controlling the nation and wanted to install socialism as opposed to "communism". The response of the soviet union, after the soviet soldiers stationed in hungary sided with the hungarians, was to send in new soldiers from russia and sorrounding countries and indiscriminately mow down people on the streets of budapest. After this there was an argument in the uk communist party about whether the communist movement was more important or anti-imperialism. Tankies got named tankies because they support killing innocent people in the name of russia. Theyre nazis but without the the fascist ideology. Also theyre not economically left, they supported the ussr and china today both countries that prioritise the authoritarian part of their government way before anything even close to communism and they literally supressed socialists in 56. Also anyone trying to tell you anything about how it was a cia operation, let me list a few minor inconsistencies:

-The revolutionaries tried to contact the usa and western nations for help but they never responded. This caused hungarians to have a very sour opinion both about the west and east as they feel wedged in between and just used as a punching bag. Tho the reason the west didnt help is because they didnt want to escalate the COLD war into, you know, a direct one.

-The guy who somewhat led to and also took part in the revolution and was later killed by the communists was also appointed by them. Its one thing to say that okay maybe the communists didnt choose the right guy cause he was more hungarian than soviet at heart but you can bet both your balls and you dick as well that the communists wouldnt choose a fucking cia operative for the prime minister.

-Lastly, this is less serious but is funny, when i was grilling a tankie about this manner once i got sent some rando tankie conspiracy website about how the cia staged everything. Now the funny part was that this person didnt realize i was hungarian, and the person who wrote the conspiracy thing didnt understand either and it was clearly made in a way where they didnt expect you to know anything about 56 or understand hungarian so i just ended up reading some of it and it had stuff like "oh yeah this baker fighting in this picture? Yeah the cia released a document 30 years later about how he was an operative" and then the document they provided as evidence proceeded to disprove this by actually stating that the baker was getting SPIED ON by the cia not the baker being a spy for the cia 🤦. The confusion is probably caused by the cia probably knowing about the uprising before it happened but not actually helping in any way. It was a war they didnt need, in a country that they didnt care about, for a cause they were against(socialism). The sad part is thats why they lost the revolution. A radical jihadist uprising in any other part of the world wouldve gotten supported by the cia but not a socialist uprising in europe

Whelp, hope at least one person reads this rant and finds it interesting, tankies already strike a chord for me but when they talk bullshit about 56 i kinda loose it

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