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Valve responds to Steam devs getting extortion emails threatening AI clones of their games (www.tweaktown.com)
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[–] 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Copyrights won't help you here. It's not the same code or assets

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    How will copyright not help here? You don't have to use the same code or assets for something to be copyright infringement. It's one thing if you personally don't believe in copyright, but just claiming that it has nothing to do with copyright because it's not a 1:1 copy is just not true.

    If you made something that "just happens to look like that other thing", you'll have a hard time defending that in court (especially if you extort them beforehand). Heck, there have been copyright lawsuits over musicians using similar lyrics or melodies since forever.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    That copyright protection is only against using recognisable characters, samples etc and has a high evidentiary requirement. It doesn't apply to art styles, prose, game mechanics and so on.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (1 child)

    Fair, I'm not saying it would be easy to prove in general (if you have an extortion letter, however, it should be fairly easy), but that's what courts are for. Also this is not about copying a style or game mechanic, but the whole game. Then again, copyright law differs quite a bit between countries, so overall it depends, but saying this does not involve copyright is just not true.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    It's a very muddy area. Game clones have existed ever since video games existed and using copyrights to fight this is imho going to cause a lot more problems than it solves. Sure, go after the extortionists, but stretching copyright law to do it, is going to fuck us all over.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    Training data is based on copyrighted material that is stolen. Someone should be made to pay somewhere. The theft of human thought cannot be allowed to be exploited.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Copyright violations aren't stealing. Human thought cannot be "stolen", only shared.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Human thought shared between humans cannot be stolen. A billionaire's company feeding a machine all human thought for purposes of replacing said human is absolutely theft.

    As for copyright, tell that to all the people fined for piracy.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (1 child)

    Copyright violation is punishable by law, yes. But it's it's not theft.

    A billionaire's company feeding a machine all human thought for purposes of replacing said human is absolutely theft.

    It's immoral sure, but not theft. We don't need to equivocate to pass moral judgement.

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