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Marx indeed was responding to a historical point in time: class society. You are confusing socialism with the abolition of class, and therefore arguing against the dictatorship of the proletariat and for a "state of all classes," a class collaborationist take that goes directly against Marx.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is indeed temporary, it lasts precisely as long as class society exists, and class society exists as long as there is production and distribution that is not yet collectivized globally, and still longer than that. It is not a "permanent repression of the people," but a temporary repression of capitalists and reactionaries. Again, you reveal your class collaborationist reading of socialism by pretending it's the people repressed by socialism, and not the capitalist class.

The removal of "civil liberties" applies specifically to the capitalist class and those that oppose the working classes. Just like those civil liberties are de facto removed from the working class in the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, so too are they removed from the bourgeoisie in the dictatorship of the proletariat. No society is permanent or static, this is a fundamental law of dialectical and historical materialism.

I'm honestly confused by how someone could take away such a class collaborationist reading of Marx and shudder at opposition to the bourgeoisie having any political power. If you think oppressing the bourgeoisie is terrifying, and democratizing society for the people is terrifying, I'm confused at how you could consider yourself a socialist at all.

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    Rule 3 is as follows:

    No capitalist apologia, anti-socialism, anti-communism, or liberalism, liberalism is in direct conflict with the left. Support for capitalism or for the parties or ideologies that uphold it are not welcome or tolerated.

    Class collaborationism is liberalism, not Marxism. Rejecting the Marxist theory of the state as a dictatorship of the ruling class of society, be it workers or an owner class, is liberalism, not Marxism. The mod removed you correctly. Marx would not support your distortions of his theories in order to cry crocodile tears for the bourgeoisie that is stripped of their ability to organize against socialism, nor your feigned fear of the most basic Marxist analysis I gave earlier.

    Trying to draw a historical analogy to when Marx was censored by the capitalist state when you yourself are vulgarizing Marxism in a socialist community is a bit silly. Censorship was never the problem, it was the class that held the power of censorship, the capitalist class. The moderators here are not capitalists, nor do they represent the capitalist class. You were removed by a worker for violating the rules of the comm.

    We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

    • Karl Marx

    Marx clearly knew what the stakes in building socialism were. He knew that just as capitalists are the dictators of capitalism, so too will working people be the dictators of socialism. The bourgeoisie should never be allowed to form coherent political power in socialism. That does not mean we have to be cartoonishly evil or anything towards them, just that we have a historic duty to prevent them from regaining control by any means necessary to do so.

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