▲ 375 ▼ PHP Foundation 'under-funded' with one full-time staff member, director says (www.reuters.com) submitted 6 days ago* by lavenie@lemmy.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 80 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -43 points 6 days ago (24 children) Yk what isn’t understaffed? Other, better languages. permalink fedilink source hideshow 24 child comments replies: [–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (14 children) There might be “better” languages, but PHP is still used by ~70% of the web. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (5 children) That number is a bit questionable: It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 18 points 6 days ago (2 children) and well-known software like Wordpress Sorry, but you're using the fact that PHP is used by the framework that makes up about 40% of the web on its own as an argument against the claim that PHP might be on as much as 70% of all websites? That's before you start getting into other platforms like Drupal and MediaWiki, or more general-purpose frameworks like Laravel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (1 child) You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. So there are possibly more PHP sites out there than we realize, because the ones which disguise their URLs are ambiguous It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. You shouldn’t be as concerned with popularity, and much more concerned with attack surface. Your argument certainly can’t be that there are thousands of idle servers out there that should no longer be maintained because no one reads the blog hosted on them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago Wordpress is still commonly used for e-commerce. You’re probably visiting more PHP sites than you realize. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (2 children) I’m aware of that. I’m questioning it still being used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago A large installed base of web apps including giants like Wordpress combined with a desire not to migrate when something is working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wpb@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago Are you actually though? Because if you were actually wondering this, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that you can very easily stop wondering by googling something along the lines of "what websites were downed on account of the recent php vulnerability". But you clearly haven't. So why the fuck are you even in this conversation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (4 children) So what. It's like saying hunger is good because most people are hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago (3 children) They, notably, did not say that PHP was good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Neither did I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] trojanbark@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 child) damn you better go tell them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago Well somebody has to if people still use it permalink fedilink source parent [–] canttakeitwithyou@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago Right but that's a pointless side discussion. English has fucked up grammar and spelling but it's a major global language. Cope? permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (3 children) You're right. Also, spoken language is much better than written language, let's get rid of written language as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago reply.wav permalink fedilink source parent [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (1 child) Comparing concepts to implementations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 days ago Indeed. Guess what primarily differentiates most programming languages? Their concepts. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CosmicDebris@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago Got a proper alternative to Nextcloud that's not php? O.o permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kaerkob@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago Of course. And that fact didn't prevent what happened this week. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (14 children) There might be “better” languages, but PHP is still used by ~70% of the web. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (5 children) That number is a bit questionable: It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 18 points 6 days ago (2 children) and well-known software like Wordpress Sorry, but you're using the fact that PHP is used by the framework that makes up about 40% of the web on its own as an argument against the claim that PHP might be on as much as 70% of all websites? That's before you start getting into other platforms like Drupal and MediaWiki, or more general-purpose frameworks like Laravel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (1 child) You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. So there are possibly more PHP sites out there than we realize, because the ones which disguise their URLs are ambiguous It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. You shouldn’t be as concerned with popularity, and much more concerned with attack surface. Your argument certainly can’t be that there are thousands of idle servers out there that should no longer be maintained because no one reads the blog hosted on them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago Wordpress is still commonly used for e-commerce. You’re probably visiting more PHP sites than you realize. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (2 children) I’m aware of that. I’m questioning it still being used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago A large installed base of web apps including giants like Wordpress combined with a desire not to migrate when something is working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wpb@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago Are you actually though? Because if you were actually wondering this, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that you can very easily stop wondering by googling something along the lines of "what websites were downed on account of the recent php vulnerability". But you clearly haven't. So why the fuck are you even in this conversation? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (4 children) So what. It's like saying hunger is good because most people are hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago (3 children) They, notably, did not say that PHP was good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Neither did I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (5 children) That number is a bit questionable: It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 18 points 6 days ago (2 children) and well-known software like Wordpress Sorry, but you're using the fact that PHP is used by the framework that makes up about 40% of the web on its own as an argument against the claim that PHP might be on as much as 70% of all websites? That's before you start getting into other platforms like Drupal and MediaWiki, or more general-purpose frameworks like Laravel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (1 child) You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. So there are possibly more PHP sites out there than we realize, because the ones which disguise their URLs are ambiguous It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. You shouldn’t be as concerned with popularity, and much more concerned with attack surface. Your argument certainly can’t be that there are thousands of idle servers out there that should no longer be maintained because no one reads the blog hosted on them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago Wordpress is still commonly used for e-commerce. You’re probably visiting more PHP sites than you realize. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 18 points 6 days ago (2 children) and well-known software like Wordpress Sorry, but you're using the fact that PHP is used by the framework that makes up about 40% of the web on its own as an argument against the claim that PHP might be on as much as 70% of all websites? That's before you start getting into other platforms like Drupal and MediaWiki, or more general-purpose frameworks like Laravel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (1 child) You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago* (1 child) You then conveniently ignore the point that they made, which is that, by volume, there are more sites, but by traffic and load, definitely not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath@quokk.au 2 points 5 days ago Not "conveniently". Intentionally. Because the ridiculousness of that point had already been thoroughly dismantled by another reply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 17 points 6 days ago It only includes sites where the server-side language can be detected. That's often easy with PHP because of URLs ending in .php and well-known software like Wordpress which identifies itself in ways that are easy for a crawler to detect. So there are possibly more PHP sites out there than we realize, because the ones which disguise their URLs are ambiguous It counts sites, not traffic. There are a lot of Wordpress sites out there which get three visitors a month. You shouldn’t be as concerned with popularity, and much more concerned with attack surface. Your argument certainly can’t be that there are thousands of idle servers out there that should no longer be maintained because no one reads the blog hosted on them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago Wordpress is still commonly used for e-commerce. You’re probably visiting more PHP sites than you realize. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (2 children) I’m aware of that. I’m questioning it still being used. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago A large installed base of web apps including giants like Wordpress combined with a desire not to migrate when something is working. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wpb@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago Are you actually though? Because if you were actually wondering this, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that you can very easily stop wondering by googling something along the lines of "what websites were downed on account of the recent php vulnerability". But you clearly haven't. So why the fuck are you even in this conversation? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stsquad@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 days ago A large installed base of web apps including giants like Wordpress combined with a desire not to migrate when something is working. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago Are you actually though? Because if you were actually wondering this, it wouldn't take a genius to figure out that you can very easily stop wondering by googling something along the lines of "what websites were downed on account of the recent php vulnerability". But you clearly haven't. So why the fuck are you even in this conversation? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (4 children) So what. It's like saying hunger is good because most people are hungry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago (3 children) They, notably, did not say that PHP was good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Neither did I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago (3 children) They, notably, did not say that PHP was good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Neither did I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -8 points 6 days ago (2 children) Neither did I. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent [+] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 9 points 6 days ago Ok, make them all change then. Exercise your authority. Oh? No one has any so it’s important to maintain existing infrastructure for the best outcomes? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trojanbark@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 child) damn you better go tell them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago Well somebody has to if people still use it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -4 points 6 days ago Well somebody has to if people still use it permalink fedilink source parent
[–] canttakeitwithyou@lemmy.zip 3 points 5 days ago Right but that's a pointless side discussion. English has fucked up grammar and spelling but it's a major global language. Cope? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (3 children) You're right. Also, spoken language is much better than written language, let's get rid of written language as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 1 point 6 days ago reply.wav permalink fedilink source parent [–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (1 child) Comparing concepts to implementations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 days ago Indeed. Guess what primarily differentiates most programming languages? Their concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gollumsfish@lemmy.zip -5 points 6 days ago (1 child) Comparing concepts to implementations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 days ago Indeed. Guess what primarily differentiates most programming languages? Their concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DasSkelett@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 5 days ago Indeed. Guess what primarily differentiates most programming languages? Their concepts. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CosmicDebris@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago Got a proper alternative to Nextcloud that's not php? O.o permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kaerkob@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago Of course. And that fact didn't prevent what happened this week. permalink fedilink source parent