this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2026

444 points (97.8% liked)

PC Gaming

pcgaming@lemmy.ca

15,659 readers

5,033 active

671 users here now

For PC gaming news and discussion. PCGamingWiki

Rules:

Be Respectful.
No Spam or Porn.
No Advertising.
No Memes.
No Tech Support.
No questions about buying/building computers.
No game suggestions, friend requests, surveys, or begging.
No Let's Plays, streams, highlight reels/montages, random videos or shorts.
No off-topic posts/comments, within reason.
Use the original source, no clickbait titles, no duplicates. (Submissions should be from the original source if possible, unless from paywalled or non-english sources. If the title is clickbait or lacks context you may lightly edit the title.)

founded 3 years ago

moderators

EXiLExJD@lemmy.ca

UncleBadTouch@lemmy.ca

KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Epic Games Bragged About Beating Steam’s Boot Times So Valve Dropped A Patch (www.eteknix.com)

submitted 2 days ago by slartibartfast141@piefed.zip to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca

185 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Without any flashy marketing campaigns or social media fanfare, Valve rolled out a routine Steam Client update containing a very simple line in the patch notes: “Improved Steam Client startup performance.”

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Some people get stuck on performance numbers that don't matter. Like Linux users that say they want 5second boot time instead of 8. Why? Or a sorts car owner that never does track days but likes to tell you their car can do 240km/h...when we have 120km/h road limits.

parent

hideshow 15 child comments

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 1 point 23 hours ago (2 children)

I don't care for a 5 second boot time instead of 8, but I understand the desire to work towards a sub 1 second type of boot, even if it's still farcical. We are surrounded by other tech like laptops, phones and TVs which go from standby to on in an instant, and as a PC user, where one puts personal stake in their PC being on par or better, chasing minimal times here matters.

I'm sure many people know the feeling of their Linux PC or pride of place mechanical keyboard modded ThinkPad suddenly looking crap to a casual tech user with a different understanding of what quality means. While the MacBook user may never gain the features of your device, you may theoretically beat them at their preferences, because you can technically do anything.

I'm eyeing up an oled monitor upgrade in the next few years. When I get it, I'm gonna use an old raspberry pi to basically make a simple, lightweight dupe of my PC desktop, then use a HDMI switch to have the oled screen have an instant useful boot while the apC actually boots in the background. My desk doesn't face a part of my apartment otherwise used, so I may get a motion sensor too, so being at my desk turns on the pi's "always on" display, which has the dual purpose of obscuring the PC boot. I don't need this in any way, but it'll feel 𝓈𝓁𝑒𝑒𝓀, and I want that.

parent

hideshow 2 child comments

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

tvs with webOS or macs people turn on usually are sleeping, so that 1 second startup is not really a boot. My nixos laptop turns "on" in about 1 second if it is sleeping...but I get what you are saying, it would be amazing yo have that fast of a cold boot

parent

hideshow 1 child comment

[–] Khrux@ttrpg.network 1 point 13 hours ago

We all know that part, but that's the comparison many very casual users would use. I would look uncool describing the difference to someone who told me my OC takes a long time to boot, and to a community of nerds, looking uncool to someone may be terrible. I'm sure this doesn't impact everyone, but I understand the super short boot dream.

parent

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 29 points 2 days ago

Or a sorts car owner that never does track days but likes to tell you their car can do 240km/h...when we have 120km/h road limits.

Yeah, but to be fair that V10 Lamborghini Huracán can get up to that speed limit much more quickly than my budget-sports-car Scion tC can. Besides, how are we supposed to know how small their penis is unless they rev their engine up so loud it hurts everyone’s ears?

parent

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Boot times are such a arbitrary performance statistic. My Nobara machine boots quite fast, but i had to put a 30s timeout for my array of hard drives in the fstab to make sure they get mounted correctly. That's not the fault of the OS, it's a hardware limitation that can't really be worked around at all.

parent

hideshow 6 child comments

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I spend like 30 seconds prior to booting to "train my RAM" or whatever. DDR5 feels like a massive step backwards to the 90s.

parent

hideshow 5 child comments

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 8 hours ago (1 child)

That sounds like it might be a hardware-specific problem, I occasionally have to wait before my PC starts booting properly, which is presumably RAM training or something, but that's more of a "once in a couple months" thing, otherwise it just boots straight up?

parent

hideshow 1 child comment

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 1 point 7 hours ago

Maybe, maybe not. I've spent a few hours plodding around, tweaked the settings in BIOS, upgraded the BIOS, tried different versions. Eventually I just left it because it's not worth the time. It has definitely soured my view on DDR5 though. DDR4 didn't need to be trained and worked just fine. What a nonsense feature.

parent

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 point 1 day ago* (2 children)

I think you might be able to skip that if you want to - if you know at what timings your RAM works fine at (probably the values your PC uses while working, there are tools for looking that up), you can probably just set it in your BIOS and be done with it.

parent

hideshow 2 child comments

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child)

Are you sure? I experienced the same thing when going from DDR3 to 5 with the absurd boot time when it has to do "training". I found no fix other than a setting where the BIOS does not do it every boot, but only every once in a whole. Well at least I have error correction built in finally.

parent

hideshow 1 child comment

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 point 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Normally, the training is only relevant when new DDR5 is installed - that should really not occur every boot, but it might depending on BIOS settings. There should be a setting called "Memory Context Restore" or similar in the DRAM timing configuration section to stop this from happening (outside of your mainboard erroneously detecting your RAM as newly installed or the detected timings fail, which can either be a hardware issue, firmware bug or an incompability with the installed modules - or simply badly seated RAM or even stuff like EM interference or a noticable difference in room temperature - these things are easily disturbed)

Edit: A bit more detailed: There are basically 2 different tests that are done: a "quick" calibration (used by "Memory Context Restore") and a "thorugh" test where it tries to get stable timings (the latter one being the "training"). When the quick calibration settings fail on POST (specifically, during training it looks at internal timing and voltage offsets/skews - these you can't read out with normal software and are only partially reflected in whatever you get when you look at the current RAM configuration, e.g. a borderline tPHYRDL; MCR just applies the last settings and checks if they work), it falls back to the training phase. A fallback means that what maximum stable timings you get out of your Ram are not the same every time - the training sets timings, and once in a blue moon quick calibration with these settings fails, leading to a full recalibration. If you want to ensure that you don't have to deal with this, you should be able to manually set your timings to limit the space the training can happen in, speeding up all of this up very much - training has less "area" to check and will also land in a space where you know your RAM is stable (pls only do if you know what you are doing!)

parent

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 point 1 day ago* (3 children)

I had to wait an hour to boot on Windows 10 LTSC. Not the first machine I owned with that problem, either.

parent

hideshow 3 child comments

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

File system check?

parent

hideshow 2 child comments

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 points 1 day ago (1 child)

Ran it regularly before and after the scheduled update every three months. Also ran a scheduled CHKDSK and DISM. Basically took a full day for routine updates. Cleared temporary files and unused AppData. Defragmented. I also frequently flushed DNS cache.

The fact that it's not an issue with any individual hardware should have tipped you off that it's not an "error" but just the way Windows is. You can find unresolved forums posts about this kind of issue going back to the early days of Windows 7 if you search.

If anybody is stupid enough to still use windows this is my advice: Enable the Hibernate option. It saves the RAM to disk and then resumes from there on startup, skipping any issues.

I actually suspect it started on the LTSC copy specifically after the Windows Store was installed, which cannot be undone.

parent

hideshow 1 child comment

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago

I run Linux for everything at home...after W10 came out. But work issue machines are Windows. They have never had boot issues...they have a shit ton of other quirks though.

parent