Where's the lie ? (thelemmy.club)
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My answer is that christians weren't in control of the government, otherwise it wouldn't have happened.
However, the immediate counter-argument will point out that power corrupts, even the Church was at some time in its 20 centuries-long history corrupted by the powerful/wealthy, who couldn't care less about meekness, poverty, ...
Now they don't even have a territory left, nor schools or any kind of power. Christian families aren't even allowed to teach their children outside government schools in France. State workers aren't allowed to wear visible religious signs. Etc...

No need to develop, it's just the same usual opposition between a "liberation theology" and a "prosperity gospel", between a focus on the obviousness/message/urgency/future and a focus on the faith/identity/tradition/past.
The far-right clearly does not care about helping those outside our tribe/group, such as ethnic/religious minorities, the poor, foreigners, homeless, marginalized/vulnerable, ... If we had been polytheists for the last thousands of years, then they wouldn't be the kind of people to convert to christianism. They'd laugh at the past importance of a "gentle man", only idealists&losers aren't machiavelians they say, what's one more lie if Hell doesn't exist.
They're in my group though, like non-humans, i still believe as i did back then that it's a matter of finding the right words, of listening to their answers, ...
One day they will be forced to confront better alternatives to the present, the kind in which the whole benefits instead of them, and i will see them unable to spin the arguments in their favor. I live for that day, and i will help in making it happen, one day.

Anyway, nothing new, just one more useless post telling things that everyone agrees with, and without receiving a counter-argument since i'm posting in an echo chamber. It's pointless but whatever

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Tribes with religion usually made it further than ones that didn't. Only evolution could have created it. It's a framework we unintentionally weave ourselves into that makes the collective us a little more cohesive. The details don't matter a bit, so long as people buy it. Talk about oooh, my religion is a LITTLE less violent than yours, kill yourself heathen! And it's like, you're both willing fools, why can't you just agree it's made up and pretend together under the same god if it's so damn important. Religions make bones with each other because it helps religion as a whole move forward. It's alive in it's own way completely in our heads. I think that's beautiful and terrifying to try and recon with. You couldn't kill religion in a way that matters if you tried.

By arguing one over the other, or one as inferior in belief, you're missing the point. It's all made up so people can be used in a way that makes them comfortable with it for the sake of the whole. It's a power structure that can be used against others, but that's not unique to religion in any way. It's a red herring, and betrays any wisdom you might be trying to convey.

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