slazer2au comments on EU Logic

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

Think of all the extra capitalism that is happening by adding additional layers of transport and management.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

It's kind of the goal in this case. Balancing between making gas exports for Russia harder and less rewarding, while maintaining some import to EU somehow so EU citizens don't freeze and economy keeps producing. It's more a political geopolitical game than a capitalist one in this case.

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[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

the only thing ya gringos be doing is making energy more expensive for you, nothing else.

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[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works -1 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Which isn't a bad thing imo in the long-term. Fossil fuel should be expensive. It helps people make better decisions, maybe they'll get an e-bike or e-car, install the balcony solar panels after all, insulate their house a bit better instead of traveling 4x per year etc etc

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago

it's not necessary and counter productive to this goal since this type of green tech is already affordable and scalable to degree that it can mitigate climate change. this exact same form of sanctioning is keeping this green tech out of our hands to protect oil and auto profiits and maintain a genocidal global hegemony at the expensive of climate change.

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[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

this is not at all what the european leadership cares about, they'd be happy to exploit the world until you need to buy air cans in order to breathe. furthermore you cannot do policies like that, you have people who need to eat, heat, and produce. this only hurts working class europeans, this will cause a crisis and depression. let's not masquerade a clear act of finance capital as some sort of progressive win. don't get me wrong, i won't shed a tear for you people suffering, it's time you get a taste of it after so many centuries of all the barbarism you people committed. you are the scum of the earth, and the pariah for all that is good. but in all of this it will not be the ones that actually have to pay the price for their sins that suffer.

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[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago

EU has since long introduced for example the emissions rights: CO2 emissions have a price. EU has steered towards electrification of cars, buses and trucks. EU has implemented policies to decrease trash production etc etc

Keeping Fossil fuel very cheap with subsidies is exactly what will cause economic crisis and suffering. Steering away from fossils does the opposite.

I am well aware EU (and mainly many memberstates) also support fossil fuels in various ways, but it is in no way as black and white as you paint the picture.

No, it's not the goal of the EU-policy towards Russian fossils to make fossils more expensive, just a side effect, but it's not a bad one. And I don't think it's "the capitalists" deciding those policies, they'd probably rather have just continued the trade from before 2022. The fossils lobby is powerful but there are more players and influences at play. Things are very very rarely as simple and black/white as some people try to tell you. The harsh truth is that no one is truly in control, there are many things that happen and not everything happens for a reason or because someone powerful decided it. The world is organised chaos.

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