Where's the lie ? (thelemmy.club)
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My answer is that christians weren't in control of the government, otherwise it wouldn't have happened.
However, the immediate counter-argument will point out that power corrupts, even the Church was at some time in its 20 centuries-long history corrupted by the powerful/wealthy, who couldn't care less about meekness, poverty, ...
Now they don't even have a territory left, nor schools or any kind of power. Christian families aren't even allowed to teach their children outside government schools in France. State workers aren't allowed to wear visible religious signs. Etc...

No need to develop, it's just the same usual opposition between a "liberation theology" and a "prosperity gospel", between a focus on the obviousness/message/urgency/future and a focus on the faith/identity/tradition/past.
The far-right clearly does not care about helping those outside our tribe/group, such as ethnic/religious minorities, the poor, foreigners, homeless, marginalized/vulnerable, ... If we had been polytheists for the last thousands of years, then they wouldn't be the kind of people to convert to christianism. They'd laugh at the past importance of a "gentle man", only idealists&losers aren't machiavelians they say, what's one more lie if Hell doesn't exist.
They're in my group though, like non-humans, i still believe as i did back then that it's a matter of finding the right words, of listening to their answers, ...
One day they will be forced to confront better alternatives to the present, the kind in which the whole benefits instead of them, and i will see them unable to spin the arguments in their favor. I live for that day, and i will help in making it happen, one day.

Anyway, nothing new, just one more useless post telling things that everyone agrees with, and without receiving a counter-argument since i'm posting in an echo chamber. It's pointless but whatever

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[–] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

Well the problem comes from the fact they want that God to be white.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

    We're all guilty of excluding people from other groups :

    • for most people it's ideological(, e.g., our national bourgeoisie may feel closer to the comprador bourgeoisie of other countries), which is i.m.o. the main cause of modern wars(, which aim to erase islamism(, or at least the anti-zionist ones, for now), communism, indigenism, and whatever really different ideology survived colonization) ;
    • for our kings/presidents it was/is about the nation : we talked about the french/german/.. "race" for decades before WW2 ; communism was/is internationalist/humanist by opposition to the nationalisms ; it was the main cause of wars in the past(, which aimed to expand their national territories), as well as for (neo-)colonialism ;
    • for some it's about religions(, e.g. the surviving palestinians are treated inhumanely by jewish israelis, under unconvincing pretexts and more deeply a lack of compensation/responsability on our part for a situation we(sterners) created/maintain) ; it was not the main cause of wars in the past, i.m.h.o., except for the Crusades and internal schisms ;
    • ...

    In any case, the point is that, to me, we should be absolutely good to others(, all others, caveat), not in name but in deeds, right now, that's far from new, everyone makes mistakes.
    But it's not a "debate" on Lemmy that will change anything, however good it may be. Internet will produce better things than Wikipedia and social medias, it will force the discussion, it's not over as long as they don't censor our Internet.

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